Nothing Hurts Like an Adam Silvera Book

[00:00:00] I didn't want to say it out loud. Same. That's why I didn't say anything. Yeah. Cause I, I had to give life to our words have too much power. Yeah, exactly.

[00:00:14] Welcome to the Incoherent Fangirl where we're talking to Adam Perkin, Silvara today after manifesting it over a year here. Good Lord.

[00:00:24] Hi.

[00:00:25] I have no chill. Nope. And I have a voice. This is very exciting. Hopefully I won't lose mine again this week.

[00:00:34] Yeah. Yeah, hold it for mid-speel. Yeah. I am Karen from Bake Expectations. I'm Mandy of the Halo Knights.

[00:00:44] Oh, welcome to the podcast friends. Hello.

[00:00:48] In our timeline, it is March 28th. I can't believe it's the end of the month. That's insane. Yeah. And in y'all's timeline, it is April 5th.

[00:01:01] Crazy.

[00:01:02] This is so weird. What did you do for April Fool's Day? Tell us because one year I made Oreo balls because Easter fell on April Fool's Day. I made Oreo balls, but some of them were Brussels sprouts.

[00:01:12] I remember this.

[00:01:16] Brought them to the family function and I knew which one, if they had green icing on them at any point,

[00:01:22] they had Brussels sprout in them no one else knew.

[00:01:25] And I said not a word. I also took on vacation and there will be multiple teenagers. So I feel like I need to

[00:01:33] do something, but I'm not sure. I got an idea. This one's kind of just annoying, but the twins took this to school

[00:01:38] and I took it to work. We took brownies to school and work. Brownies cut out of construction paper in a pan with foil.

[00:01:46] So take brownies to work. Oh, you can't now because you're hearing this too late. But next year

[00:01:53] you'll be prepared for a year.

[00:02:01] All right, Mandy. What did you do this week in fan growing? Not a whole lot.

[00:02:06] I read Infinity Kings by Adam Silvero.

[00:02:10] Can't tell you anything about it because it's the third book in a trilogy, but also we'll talk about it a little bit later on. Yes.

[00:02:16] I also

[00:02:17] read by listening to while I was redoing my bathroom a touch of chaos by Scarlett St. Clair, which is

[00:02:25] book seven

[00:02:26] in a Hades and Persephone series that literally there's been years.

[00:02:31] I have been waiting years for this book. If you scroll back far enough in my tech talk,

[00:02:36] there is a tech talk of me like finishing this book and

[00:02:38] at the time it was supposed to be out like the following year. And so my tech talk is like, oh, you have to wait a year for

[00:02:45] this cliffhanger to be resolved. And then it ended up being like four years.

[00:02:48] I remember that was on one of the early episodes of the podcast too where you mentioned that and I was like,

[00:02:55] yeah, I will wait on that. It is a

[00:02:57] bad cliffhanger. Like it is so

[00:03:01] bad. Something happened in this. It's not part of the plot of the book.

[00:03:04] This is not a spoiler at all, but my new favorite thing that I have ever seen in a book

[00:03:09] happened in the beginning of this one. I text Karen about it. There were content warnings at the beginning

[00:03:13] that gave

[00:03:14] the chapter number and a

[00:03:17] semi-spoiler free account of what happened so that if you want to skip that chapter,

[00:03:22] you have the information that you need to know what happened without having to detail it.

[00:03:26] So it would be chapter, I think it was chapters 32 and 37. There is sexual assault or dubious consent and

[00:03:34] they say it is not insanely descriptive. It is mostly fade to black,

[00:03:38] but you know exactly what is happening. If you need to take care of yourself, skip this chapter.

[00:03:43] Or skip, you know, starting here. Amazing. I love that. Like I love a trigger warning.

[00:03:48] I love, you know, an author's note with all of the content warnings. Normalize putting the chapter number there

[00:03:54] and giving you how in depth it's going to be so that people can take care of themselves.

[00:04:00] Amazing. Amazing. So I had to shout that out. That's incredible. While I was listening to a Tesh of Chaos,

[00:04:06] I painted and redecorated my bathroom. My husband was out of town and when he goes out of town, I whole improve.

[00:04:11] Yes, you do.

[00:04:12] So, uh, he'll be gone in a couple of weeks and I will be painting my bedroom in the same color. It's like a dark

[00:04:18] lushy green.

[00:04:20] It's like, and once I finished the book, the soundtrack to the rest of the

[00:04:26] bathroom renovation was just Hozier because his new EP is out and yeah, you couldn't tell that Hozier was involved in this bathroom.

[00:04:35] It looks like a Hozier bathroom. Lots of plants.

[00:04:37] I'm going to try not to kill. Did extensive research to what plants can thrive in a bathroom with very little watering.

[00:04:44] And then I got some of those plants with this wick thing where you fill up a bucket that it's in and the wick will water it for you.

[00:04:52] So you only have to fill it up like once every few weeks. Maybe, maybe I will keep these plants alive.

[00:04:57] I have a dead thumb I got from my mother. I can buy it honestly. That was pretty much my week. My nieces had their

[00:05:03] military balls. They had a little dance. They looked beautiful. You can't see pictures because

[00:05:08] way too bright.

[00:05:09] I was on the internet seeing them. But yeah, yeah, they were so pretty. They were.

[00:05:13] They had fun and I think that's about all I did. I didn't do a whole lot.

[00:05:17] I've been hectic around here. That's fair. What'd you do this week?

[00:05:19] I finished Infinity Reaper and I am happy to report that Wyatt indeed does enter the chat in this book.

[00:05:27] And that's what I thought with as little spoilers as possible. Based on Wyatt's job,

[00:05:33] there is absolutely 0% that he was that guy in the museum from the first book.

[00:05:38] But I wouldn't have surveyed. Yeah, I wouldn't have known that at the time.

[00:05:44] If you know, you know. There's no way they were the same person.

[00:05:47] When you go in paying attention because I didn't pay attention to this random guy in the

[00:05:52] and it just so happened that I had just finished Infinity Sun and met this guy.

[00:05:57] But it was far enough away that I couldn't remember his name.

[00:06:00] So when you said a British guy, I was like, oh, but now, you know,

[00:06:05] fine sites 2020. Yeah, there is absolutely 0% that Wyatt could have possibly ever been that person.

[00:06:12] Yeah. So I finished Infinity Reaper. I finished Infinity Kings,

[00:06:16] neither which I can talk about. I read The Colliding Worlds of Mina Lee by Ellen Oh.

[00:06:21] It is about a teenage girl who's she's like an artist and she creates a web tune that she just

[00:06:26] kind of she draws it. She's really inspired to draw it out. She bases it on like people in

[00:06:32] her life or who have been in her life. And then one day she finds herself waking up in the web

[00:06:38] tune. And now the web tune is like kind of going off script of what she had like planned out for it.

[00:06:46] And she has to figure out like, oh, actually, these are like real people. It's kind of like,

[00:06:50] how do I fix everything because I kind of messed everything up when I did my web

[00:06:54] tune? And so she's kind of kind of got to solve like, oh, shit, things are going down

[00:06:59] right now. And this is not what I intended. And this is really bad for these people.

[00:07:03] So how do we fix it? It was really good. I really enjoyed it. And yeah, I highly recommend it.

[00:07:10] It was a really quick read too. I read for its trans rights readathon week this week,

[00:07:16] which I like did not know until like the day after it started. But I'm trying to get some

[00:07:22] in there. So I read Rosalind Palmer takes the cake by Alexis Hall. You've got Rosalind who

[00:07:29] has entered herself onto a baking competition, bake expectations. And she on the way to so it's

[00:07:37] interesting. And I don't know if this is like how they do it in like real life, but they go like every

[00:07:42] weekend, they'll go to like the place where it's recording. And then once they finished

[00:07:46] recording that week's episode, they go home for the week and then go back for the following

[00:07:50] weekend. And so before the first episode, she's heading there. And like everything that

[00:07:56] could go wrong goes wrong. Her train breaks down, she's stranded in the middle of nowhere.

[00:08:01] And she ends up being stranded with another contestant. And so they like kind of bond

[00:08:06] and make their way over to the place and kind of bond throughout, you know, the experience.

[00:08:13] But then there's this other contestant who's like also kind of like super sweet. And so she's

[00:08:18] like got conflicting feelings, but she's like committed to this first guy because she met him

[00:08:22] first kind of thing. And so it's kind of like love triangle-y-esque, but not really because

[00:08:28] the other guy is like super sweet and is like, well, you're somebody else's girl, I'm not gonna

[00:08:32] try anything kind of thing. And it is, I wouldn't say that it follows like exactly the romance

[00:08:41] formula that you would think of, but it is very like romance-y. There is an UG.

[00:08:46] I don't know, I need to, I was just saying I need to break on a love triangles. I never

[00:08:49] thought I'd say that, but I just went through a doozy of one. If you know, you know,

[00:08:54] where I've had my heart broken.

[00:08:57] So yeah, but it was, oh George Bailey. So it was really good. It's my first Alexis Hall book

[00:09:04] and it was like a total banger. I literally was laughing out loud at so many different points.

[00:09:09] It was so good. It was so funny. I loved it. And I also read the like sequel, like,

[00:09:16] you know, sequel romance novels. Paris Dallancourt is about to crumble also by Alexis Hall.

[00:09:22] You've got Paris who is, it's a new season of big expectations and Paris has, you know,

[00:09:29] hopped onto, he's been volunteered by his roommate to be a contestant on the show.

[00:09:35] And he is like, Paris is very like one of us anxiety rep like to the extreme.

[00:09:42] And so, you know, he does really well and he's like, Oh no, I just got lucky, blah, blah,

[00:09:47] and there's this other contestant who's like super sweet on him. And they go back and forth. And

[00:09:52] it's, you know, things happen. And it's also very cute. The love interest is Tarik and he's

[00:09:59] like as golden retriever energy as you can get. He's adorable. I loved him. And I read,

[00:10:06] I have two more. Ellie Kaycock is totally normal by Gretchen Shriver. It's her debut

[00:10:11] novel and it follows Ellie who is she is living with like a long term illness that they kind of

[00:10:19] can't really identify. She's had it since birth. She's disabled. And she is has very strictly kept

[00:10:27] like her regular life and her hospital life very separate. And so like the people in her regular

[00:10:33] life don't really know everything that goes on with her hospital life. And so things kind of

[00:10:38] start the walls kind of start coming down and she's kind of got to figure out like how do I

[00:10:43] figure all of these pieces together as a part of my life. And of course, there's a boy and you know,

[00:10:52] it's sweet. It's cute. There's really great representation for like disability. Ellie herself,

[00:10:58] I believe she has I want to say it's like a disfigured arm something I can't remember exactly

[00:11:05] or I don't think she described it like exactly what it was, but she has a visible disability. And

[00:11:11] so navigating kind of like that and living in an able bodied world kind of thing. Right. Yeah.

[00:11:20] And so that was cool. And the last thing I read was Heartless Hunter which in the UK is called

[00:11:26] The Crimson Moth by Kristen Siccarelli. And it's a witch and a witch hunter pretend like trying

[00:11:32] to figure out if the witch hunter is trying to figure out if she's this witch that he's been hunting

[00:11:37] and she's like trying to get information from him to save other witches and then feelings and things

[00:11:44] and it's really good. I don't know how better to explain that. One of the twins asked me for

[00:11:49] book recommendations yesterday or the day before she was like, I've got a like I'm in a mood to

[00:11:53] read a book and I was like Serpent in Duff. Serpent in Duff. Love. I love a witch and a witch hunter.

[00:12:01] We do. It's the it's kind of like the best enemies to lovers. Yeah, I really love it. So

[00:12:08] I'm excited for the next book which comes out next year.

[00:12:16] All right. Do you have a fictional boyfriend this week? I have too.

[00:12:21] All right. I'm a cheater. All right. Well, my first fictional boyfriend and I feel like you

[00:12:27] would absolutely agree is Wyatt from the Infinity Cycle. We love Wyatt. We stan Wyatt. You know,

[00:12:33] he's apparently Tom Hiddleston in Mandy's Mind. It's fine. You'll find that out later.

[00:12:40] Because of the timing, why me Wibbly thing. But Wyatt man. Love him. I love him. He's

[00:12:47] just so like he's just always so even when like things are going bad, like he's just got such a

[00:12:53] positive understanding. Yeah. Understanding positive. Find hard. He's comfort. He's just comfort.

[00:13:02] And I love him. And then my other fictional boyfriend this week is Jin from the colliding

[00:13:08] worlds of Mina Lee in this book. One of the webtoons characters that she draws.

[00:13:14] She draws this boy who's supposed to be like the love interest of the main character in her

[00:13:18] webtoon. And she can't quite figure out like he looks really familiar to her. And once she enters

[00:13:23] like the webtoons world, she realizes that he looks familiar to her because she drew her

[00:13:30] childhood best friend grown up. Her childhood best friend died when he was like six. So she

[00:13:36] never got to see him grow up. But her like her mom or her his mom had like, you know, one of those

[00:13:46] like a painting or something, but it put into the one of those programs where you age up like a

[00:13:51] picture. And so she had one of those done. And her Mina's mom was like, that's not great. Let

[00:13:58] me fix it because she was also an artist. And so she like, you know, rounded things out made

[00:14:02] it more realistic. And Mina had seen that when she was younger, and she unconsciously like drew

[00:14:08] him into her webtoons. And so when she meets him in the webtoon world, she like is trying to figure

[00:14:16] out like, Oh man, like why is he so familiar? And then when she figures it out, she's like,

[00:14:20] Oh my God, this is my best friend. Like I never got to see him grow up. And he's exactly how

[00:14:26] I remember him. He's just as sweet. He's just as kind. He is just the sweetest human being. And

[00:14:34] you know, and romance reasons things happen. Yeah. And it's I mean, it's YA, but like, it's so like

[00:14:40] he's just so sweet. And I can't say anything about it. But like the ending. Oh man. Yeah. So

[00:14:51] Wyatt and Jen, those are my fictional boyfriends. How about you? First, I need to let anybody

[00:14:56] watching the YouTube know I was not laughing at you whenever you were telling me about the start of

[00:15:01] that. George Bailey was freaking out and being obnoxious. And one of the twins came out to try

[00:15:06] and catch him because she could see I was recording and he thought she was playing a game. So he

[00:15:10] started running circles around her and she was trying to like, she's doing like this and trying

[00:15:15] to silence him. I was just laughing at him because he's like, You're not going to catch me.

[00:15:19] You're gonna get louder. I love it. You can see me laughing. I was not laughing at Karen. I was

[00:15:24] laughing at George Bailey being a psychopath. Oh no, that's Terry. So I wasn't laughing at you.

[00:15:30] Jen sounds great. I didn't even like when I was editing. You're gonna be like it does look like

[00:15:36] it does look like you're laughing at me. It's fine. It's fine. I am easy to laugh at. It's fine guys.

[00:15:43] Okay, mine are Wyatt Warwick because he's just got the sweetest heart and I just

[00:15:48] my baby angel. I just want him to be happy. Yeah, I love him. He's sweet little thing. And then

[00:15:54] heck not it would not be myself if I did not also say hosier this week.

[00:16:00] There we I don't know if I've ever talked about it on the podcast, but my type was determined

[00:16:06] and I know she's like, we don't really condone this series anymore. But like when I watched

[00:16:11] Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban and Gary Oldman walks out long hair, skinny,

[00:16:17] covered in tattoos and just like I was like, that is my type. So like to the point like where

[00:16:23] when my friends showed me pictures of the man who would now be my husband and I saw

[00:16:27] that he had long curly dark brown hair and he was like tall and skinny. I was just like oh

[00:16:34] hosier like so if you ever wondered what Mandy's type is hosier.

[00:16:39] Which is what I go for. Which is so funny because not Tom Hiddleston.

[00:16:45] I mean, if he grew his hair out longer, Tom Hiddleston, he's got curly red hair, but

[00:16:52] he just has never grown his hair out that long that I've seen. But

[00:16:55] best believe if you wanted to put the take a roll with the long hair, he had long hair when

[00:17:00] he was low key. I just feel my favorite different times when he's in the cell. They've got him

[00:17:06] like they're not torturing him. They're screaming that is peak.

[00:17:10] Fine for Tom Hiddleston for me. Fine.

[00:17:17] And the arms in Loki, his arms in the Loki series.

[00:17:21] When he falls on the ground and just like this and catches the building I was like.

[00:17:28] Talk about female gays right there. Exactly. Loki and then Captain and the Winter Soldier.

[00:17:34] No, my cap was called Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

[00:17:37] I was like wait. Captain America. I mean he is Captain America but.

[00:17:41] Falcon and the Winter Soldier. They were made by women for women. Okay.

[00:17:44] The peak female gaze. Like yeah just so that's fair. That was a whole thing but

[00:17:50] hosier put out his EP. We've been listening to it a lot in this house and so I have to say

[00:17:54] he's a fictional boyfriend this week too. That man is like our Shakespeare, our version of

[00:18:00] Shakespeare. If you are a literary person he's got like a whole thing about like songs that are

[00:18:05] about Dante's Inferno and Francesca and like man smart. Okay. Man can write. Love it. Good. Good choices.

[00:18:14] Good choices.

[00:18:20] That sound means we have an intruder alert. This is an intruder alert that we manifested a year ago.

[00:18:26] Adam I don't know if you know this. Yeah we did. We have, you will probably know him from his

[00:18:32] heartbreaking books The First to Die at the End and They Both Die at the End but we're here to talk

[00:18:37] about the Infinity Cycle. We've got Adam Silvera. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much.

[00:18:44] Yeah I know we've been trying to make this happen for. It's been almost a year. Yeah.

[00:18:51] An hour. It's so exciting to have you. We've been kind of like trying to keep it under wraps for as

[00:18:59] long as possible. Yeah this is a hard secret to keep. Yes so we're really excited to have you here.

[00:19:05] Yeah thanks. I'm excited to talk about the series and all the other things that will just

[00:19:09] kind of like naturally pop up and I have a very ADD brain so prepare for me to answer

[00:19:16] the whole question that you did not ask. Listen we are coherent for a reason.

[00:19:24] So when we normally start off asking our guests to like give an elevator a pitch of the book but

[00:19:30] this is book three in a series so maybe an overarching theories elevator pitch. That's

[00:19:37] how I've been kind of talking about it in general but the Infinity Cycle which begins with

[00:19:41] Infinity Sun continues with Infinity Reaper it concludes with Infinity Kings is about two brothers

[00:19:46] in modern day New York and what happens when one brother gets magical powers from a Phoenix

[00:19:54] and the other brother does not. And there's a bit of a tug of war that continues to you know get

[00:20:00] pulled between the two brothers throughout the trilogy and things go go really bad but

[00:20:06] it takes place in New York City so it's more of a fantasy in the vein of like X-Men and with very

[00:20:13] contemporary settings lots of social media involved as well. So it is not like a Game of

[00:20:19] Thrones fantasy it is very much like a New York based contemporary fantasy trilogy.

[00:20:24] You actually like led into the first question I have written down all of your books so far

[00:20:28] take place in the real world but they have a little more can you talk about the balance of

[00:20:33] like keeping things accurate as far as like borrows in New York City and making sure that you're not

[00:20:38] saying something that's wrong while also adding in death cast or celestials and phoenixes and

[00:20:43] yeah that was that like. I mean I definitely when I create my alternate New York's I do

[00:20:47] give myself license to to change things around as needed you know I think with like they both

[00:20:53] die at the end and the Infinity Cycle it's like look when you have new factors the speculative

[00:20:59] elements of my novels introduced into this world like that those the existence of those things is

[00:21:05] enough to kind of like counter something very real that happened in our world right so like let's say

[00:21:11] on on Adams Street in New York City there's an actual business called the Mandy Store right and

[00:21:20] and then like and right next to it is like the the the Karen shop but you know now that

[00:21:25] celestials exist and everything and celestials are for you know for those who aren't familiar

[00:21:30] they're people with born of natural powers in the infinity cycle because they exist

[00:21:35] they've now done something that has like created a completely different business

[00:21:38] in its place so the Karen shop doesn't exist and the Mandy Store doesn't exist and there's now

[00:21:43] like a celestial wardrobe store instead you know so I can I can do that it was it was

[00:21:48] tricky for something like the first to die at the end where death cast you know is introduced for the

[00:21:55] first time in that novel so I really was doing my best to respect everything that happened in the

[00:22:03] actual timeline of our world right prior to that novel right so I wasn't seeing like the

[00:22:10] price of a metro card around that time or what businesses did exist or a store's hours back

[00:22:15] then like I was doing all the research for all that stuff but I have certainly a lot more fun

[00:22:20] having to do less research and more just creating and that was one of the beautiful parts about

[00:22:25] the infinity cycle especially because it's like you know I love like observing the magical world

[00:22:32] through the lens of social media right and one of the brothers Brighton he is a very like big

[00:22:36] kind of like social media addict and has his own platform that covers a lot of like magical

[00:22:42] events and you know and then you have like his brother Amil who becomes our reluctant hero

[00:22:47] with the Phoenix powers kind of like casually scrolling about Instagram looking at you know

[00:22:52] a feed of like Phoenix's flying around and everything and and just like really loving

[00:22:57] stuff like that so you know and then creating just different businesses that you know revolve

[00:23:02] around these things both in the infinity cycle and in death cast like phone apps like the last

[00:23:06] friend app all these things so I have so much fun with the creation of these things but

[00:23:10] while making sure everything does still feel very grounded and familiar for those who are you know

[00:23:17] want to like exit the subway and look up at the sky and get so invested in the world that they're

[00:23:21] going to wonder if they are about to watch a phoenix fly by yeah I love it you do a killer job of

[00:23:26] it yeah honestly it really does like kind of jump off the page like oh I could go to the nork

[00:23:32] and this could be just life yeah so I love that so you've talked a lot about kind of the

[00:23:37] inspiration behind the infinity cycle the gap that you saw in media that you wanted to fill but

[00:23:44] was there anything specific that kind of led you to this specific story because at least to me it

[00:23:50] feels like it's kind of a breath of fresh air in the superhero genre yeah so it's funny I think

[00:23:56] I mean one of the I mean I've been working through different incarnations of the story since I

[00:24:00] was like 19 years old and like 2034 in June of this year and I you know like the celestials kind

[00:24:09] of existed back then in that version but it was very different um is more like zodiac base and so

[00:24:15] that's why like the celestials in this world like we understand that like they in the infinity

[00:24:19] cycle that they get their powers like from the the stars and the sky and and all these things

[00:24:24] and we don't have like a ton of information as to like why that is it's just sort of a natural

[00:24:29] phenomenon that's happened but I in their world at least but then you know I've always been obsessed

[00:24:35] with phoenixes like since I was a kid a lot of that started with the the phoenix saga dark phoenix

[00:24:41] saga arc in X-Men which I'm a gigantic fan of and I'm watching X-Men 97 I'm obsessed I'm

[00:24:48] rewatching the original X-Men animated series I'm obsessed and you know but I I got a tattoo

[00:24:54] of a phoenix which I can show on the YouTube but not on the podcast that I got when I was 19 years

[00:25:01] old and as a promise myself to one day write like a phoenix series and then you know so all that was

[00:25:06] kind of in mind and then like a few years later I started thinking about life sentences that we

[00:25:10] assign you know in in in court and and such that and I started thinking you know I was like

[00:25:16] you know I would I was taking things very literally you hear some a judge like issue

[00:25:21] like oh you're given four life sentences and I'm like okay but we have like the one life right

[00:25:27] yeah that is mean well what if your crimes and your life sentences do pass over through reincarnation

[00:25:35] and and like that's kind of and I that got paired with the idea of phoenixes where it's like okay

[00:25:42] so when you are reborn you're still going to be paying for like the the sins of your past

[00:25:46] and everything and and for a meal our chosen one who is you know this incarnate of two really great

[00:25:53] forces that have existed before him one is an alchemist in K K on who is responsible for creating

[00:26:00] the specters who are in this world people who get their magical powers from magical creatures

[00:26:07] and then you have Patista who was born after K on who is basically like the the the creator

[00:26:14] of the spell walkers who essentially serve as like our X men in this world and so a meal really has

[00:26:20] to figure out who he's going to be in this life you know when he comes from a legacy of you know

[00:26:25] an alchemist who started this whole global wide mass and a hero who was treated never treated

[00:26:33] anything more than like like a vigilante essentially now trying to protect like the you know those

[00:26:40] secrets as well so that like those the reputations of those respective people aren't just like you

[00:26:45] know pinned on him very nice okay there are quite a few love triangles and tragedies in this series

[00:26:52] did you know going in exactly where everyone was going to land or did your characters like surprise

[00:26:57] you while you're writing and you're like I didn't want you to do this but I mean there were

[00:27:02] some really great surprises I think you know what I wanted to happen for the surviving characters

[00:27:08] for the most part did happen and some of them you know I think I mean I think all of them in some

[00:27:14] obviously some variation they all had like a really notable but like really awesome and Adam approved

[00:27:23] alterations and you know but the love triangle between a meal and the shapeshifter nests and

[00:27:32] you know this phoenix guardian aka a halo knight as they're called in the book

[00:27:36] Wyatt Warwick that you know that was new to me that was not planned when I was planning the original

[00:27:41] trilogy and that was because when I was publishing book one there were a lot of people who were like

[00:27:49] wanting more romance and more of a love story from the series which I had always planned

[00:27:53] like a slow burn love story and you know it was very much like like their meals fighting a war

[00:27:59] like you know he's not like right time for dates like he's so stressed he's such a highly

[00:28:04] anxious hero which you know is how I think if I was given the powers and put under the pressure that he

[00:28:10] was especially that age that's how I think that I would have operated as well so I really use that

[00:28:15] as like a compass for a meal's decisions throughout the series but you know in book two there's a

[00:28:23] reason why like a meal and nests like aren't super close and I won't spoil why that is

[00:28:29] and but then I was like oh man if people wanted more romance from book one you know which like

[00:28:37] actually in the same proximity right um I was like oh for book two like you're you're really like

[00:28:44] unless yearning from a distance is like your thing like you're gonna be really bummed right

[00:28:49] so I created the character of Wyatt and it's funny it was the other day because there was

[00:28:53] you know a meal talks about in book one this boy named Nicholas who is someone who he had a

[00:28:59] crush on in high school who was a celestial and I always thought that Nicholas was going to make an

[00:29:04] appearance throughout the trilogy like like physically he you know some text messages are

[00:29:08] exchanged and stuff like that but he's not a major role by far like if you were adapting this

[00:29:12] into a movie or something you would not talk about Nicholas he's such a nobody character

[00:29:19] in that in that sense right but I always did think that there was a chance that he was

[00:29:22] gonna come back but I really started thinking that like for the sake of a love triangle you know you

[00:29:27] really you want each figure to represent something that that main character wants right and you know

[00:29:35] I was like well what what's something that like would really speak to a meal and for a meal it was

[00:29:39] like you know he understands that like no matter how he gets his way out of the infinity cycle

[00:29:46] he's not only going to be able to go back to his regular life right like even if he binds

[00:29:49] his powers like he wants to that's like that's his objective throughout the the first book you know

[00:29:55] like he knows that like he will forever be known as the infinity son people you know he just can't

[00:30:00] go into hiding so he was like oh very much like oh maybe I can become like a guardian for phoenixes

[00:30:04] and then enter Wyatt who is that and is like showing him you know opening opening that door

[00:30:11] for him if he if he so seeks it and and I had so much fun for that and for a character that

[00:30:15] like I had not planned on I fell for this I fell for Wyatt so deeply and I think you know

[00:30:22] and you have to write because you already have so many people who nest has one book up on this person

[00:30:28] right you're already rooting for Emile and Ness but like I knew like as a writer if I closed this

[00:30:35] trilogy and no one was rooting for Emile and Wyatt to be a thing then I failed at the love

[00:30:40] triangle and so you really have to like make sure that like the attraction and the magnificence

[00:30:46] between the two characters is clear as I was like oh my god like I everyone was like book

[00:30:50] two is so much more romantic than book one and um and yeah so that that led to some you know

[00:30:56] some decisions and I had to make some choices there but uh you know I had not planned on

[00:31:02] that love triangle and I hadn't planned on the other love triangle that gets introduced in the

[00:31:06] third book either from Maribel Proctor but uh that's a whole other story. Well speaking of your

[00:31:14] characters you have so there are four narrators throughout the series and each of them to me felt

[00:31:19] like they had a very distinct voice was there anything that you had to kind of do to get

[00:31:25] yourself into each of their head spaces to kind of write did you write each character in like

[00:31:30] chunks or did you do it more chronologically how did that process go? Oh yeah so I love this because

[00:31:38] first of all I will never do that again I will never write a book especially a series I might

[00:31:45] write a book I will never write a series again where there's like four first person narrators

[00:31:51] right like in my they both died at the end of those I always have two first person narrators

[00:31:54] and then I like sprinkle in some like third person interstitials and everything and

[00:31:58] but you know the story is very much led by like those two first person POV narrators for the

[00:32:04] infinity cycle you know like I was going back and forth I was like is this is this story just a

[00:32:09] meals POV is it a meal in Brighton's POV is it Maribel and Ness and then I started like is it

[00:32:15] third person is that first person I went through so many different versions of this right and

[00:32:20] it was always this is the thing and this is like a big message for writers too because

[00:32:24] when you are like working through the crafting of a story like that and you're trying to figure out

[00:32:29] what is going to be the best vehicle for your story in terms of like how many narrators who's

[00:32:34] the narrator what tense you're telling it's so hard to be reading other books at that time so

[00:32:40] like I remember reading certain books and then you know I'd be writing the infinity cycle and

[00:32:45] third person pass and then I would go pick up a book that's first person present single

[00:32:48] narrator and I'm like oh okay now I no longer want to do ensemble and then it's like I'd be doing my

[00:32:54] like first person thing and I'm like well and now it's harder for me to tell this story so now I need

[00:32:58] to add this other POV and then it's like and then it grows into an ensemble again right and

[00:33:02] then you're you're watching bestseller list you're like who's topping it this week this month

[00:33:06] and it's like well that books in third person pass so that must mean that readers like third

[00:33:10] person pass and it's like no like like there's there's there's examples for what's successful

[00:33:16] absolutely every kind of story right so you like you just really have to do what's best for you

[00:33:20] and for me that was telling an ensemble story with four POVs knowing that like every character

[00:33:27] represented a different story right like I mean a meal and brighten our you know twin brothers

[00:33:32] who have grown up in the same home but are very different like couldn't be more different you

[00:33:37] know and and then obviously their paths like really start diverging throughout the trilogy

[00:33:42] and then you have Maribel who is you know our legacy hero she was raised by you know two of the

[00:33:49] most like famous heroes in in the world and then you have Ness who is part of the enemy gang the

[00:33:54] blood casters and so like from Maribel having that experience of having grown up in all that

[00:34:01] that's a different POV than Emil and Brighton who have observed it from a distance but

[00:34:06] we're not really like didn't have powers or anything right and then you have Ness who

[00:34:10] also didn't grow up with powers but like has been in the game a little bit longer than Emil and Brighton

[00:34:14] have and he's connected to the enemy gang which provides a window that we wouldn't otherwise have

[00:34:19] so they all serve the function at one point when I was writing Infinity Son I had run I'd written

[00:34:25] a ton of nest chapters but most of them featured him in a meal so I ended up cutting out all

[00:34:29] those chapters I rewrote them from Emil's perspective and I was like I don't think Ness needs a POV

[00:34:34] and then I was like actually no let me get Ness's POV but let me get it from scenes where we wouldn't

[00:34:40] have a meal there as well and because also with Ness you're you're supposed to be wondering like is

[00:34:45] this guy double crossing a meal is he triple croc like what's the deal with him he's a shapeshifter

[00:34:51] like how much of him do we really trust so I was like you know if we don't have his POV

[00:34:54] it's a lot harder right right you know so it was but it was trickier but and I got it all

[00:34:58] in a way where it was like I was able to like conceal his identity from the reader so that we

[00:35:03] don't know it until Emil knows it and all that stuff and you get really you figure out the craft

[00:35:08] things for that but to make sure that I had all their voices down and everything that took a while

[00:35:13] for sure but I before every writing session I was listening to white noise when I write

[00:35:19] every character have their own element and so Emil I would listen to kind of like crackling

[00:35:24] like fire and wood and stuff like that Maribel because she flies I would listen to a lot of

[00:35:30] like wind sounds and wind storms and everything Ness was a lot of ocean sounds very like you know

[00:35:37] fluid and like he is and Brighton was a lot of just like kind of like general nature noises

[00:35:45] and so I would listen I would I would get that and your body like picks up on that stuff right

[00:35:50] it puts you back in those places and what was also really critical was going back and rereading

[00:35:56] a couple chapters from each character's POV before starting that writing session just to like pick

[00:36:03] up on like what are their there's how they flow like with a sentence what are their dialogue

[00:36:08] things and everything and yeah so I mean it was um I love a challenge I have now achieved it

[00:36:17] I don't need to do it again but I it's absolutely how that story needed to be told

[00:36:24] for sure agreed agreed okay this is a genuine question because it means that you're doing

[00:36:29] something right because your work makes people feel so deeply but what is it like to traumatize us

[00:36:35] so much like yeah but it's exactly what you just said right like it means you're doing it right yeah

[00:36:42] yeah like when people it's so funny the the reception for the series is so funny to me because

[00:36:47] you know people hate Brighton like they I don't though I don't either I love Brighton

[00:36:54] I feel for him and especially with infinity reaper like you understand like yeah

[00:36:58] just more obnoxious but also like you're you're let in more on like where his trauma started

[00:37:03] and why you know it's just um but like with the trauma of like witnessing his father's death

[00:37:09] and everything a very like violent gruesome death and very alone when it happened and

[00:37:14] you know of course he would be scared of death and of course he would want to pursue immortality

[00:37:18] right because like witness death of like his favorite parent you know and and such a horrific way

[00:37:27] yeah and then it's like but you know like the reviews for this are like Brighton is the worst

[00:37:31] character ever I get telling the things when people are and they're just like like he is

[00:37:37] so horrible I just want to skip his childhoods I'm like you won't understand the story but like

[00:37:42] and and you know and it's like but the thing is like my point being I always want to create

[00:37:47] real characters right I think sometimes like we've gotten used to this sort of like culture

[00:37:52] almost of like wanting to be seduced by our villains and everything and and I just I'm

[00:37:58] like I don't want Brighton to be a sexy villain like I want him to feel very realistic

[00:38:05] right like I mean this is someone who is like cracking by the day and you know and it just I

[00:38:11] and I love their dynamic so much between Emil and Brighton like I love that Emil is this reluctant

[00:38:17] chosen one who wants to do the right thing but like isn't born to be like a hero who like does the

[00:38:25] hard stuff right and then you know who's very much like powerless but it's like put me in the

[00:38:29] ring like I can do this like I can do it I want to um and like fine like you know it

[00:38:34] is like if he could just like if a meal could just pass on his power to Brighton he would do that right

[00:38:40] because like Brighton is like a little more hardened to do so and everything right so but you

[00:38:44] know I just like I wanted to create very real people and I but I love right he's one of my

[00:38:50] favorite characters ever written right like the darkest character I've ever written but like

[00:38:55] but you know like I I love him so much and you know but even people are like oh he's terrible I'm

[00:39:04] like at the end of the day you're also like you're not supposed to be rooting for him you know like

[00:39:09] one more hate and like you shouldn't be rooting for Brighton to win the war

[00:39:14] well and they're overlooking like it's not just the death of his father and I don't want to

[00:39:18] give a spoiler but he and Emil find out something that's very upsetting yeah mostly

[00:39:23] for Emil but Brighton's been lied to too and that's traumatic for him too absolutely yeah

[00:39:28] and that's the trauma early days and then it's just you know and then like there's all the dynamics

[00:39:32] that shift and the way that like Brighton is treated by the heroes versus the way Emil is

[00:39:37] treated as the one who actually is being seen as like you know their savior and everything and

[00:39:44] I mean I love that dynamic so much but at the end of the day whether it's the infinity cycle

[00:39:48] whether it's the both diet the end whether it's anything I do like anytime someone is like oh

[00:39:52] my god this broke my heart I'm like great I created real characters because like my job is to tell stories

[00:39:56] and and if you're closing then you have no reaction even people who hate Brighton I'm like you

[00:40:01] always have a reaction right like made you feel I win so when you're kind of like and like I'm

[00:40:09] never gonna think about that again like and you know the amount of messages I get from people

[00:40:12] who are like oh my god I still tear up when I think about they both die at the end I still

[00:40:15] tear up when I think about it's been it's been three days I haven't stopped crying it's

[00:40:18] been a week I haven't stopped crying and just like for me like I can't fathom that like I'm like

[00:40:22] that's wild to me it's like but it's like they're grieving a real person that means I created

[00:40:27] someone real so speaking of characters we have a question that we asked all of our guests and

[00:40:34] this is the moment where like everything you've ever consumed is going to leave your brain but

[00:40:38] we have a segment on the podcast which we call fictional boyfriend of the week

[00:40:42] where we kind of pick a character that we really vibe with that we read or watch that week

[00:40:47] that's just doesn't have to be a boyfriend yeah it doesn't have to be a boyfriend. Prudencia was my

[00:40:50] fictional bestie recently why it's my fictional boyfriend this week yeah so okay love it so

[00:40:55] yeah and it doesn't have to be from like anything you've written just kind of anything throughout

[00:40:59] media that you've consumed like who is somebody that you would like to introduce the world to?

[00:41:04] I am going okay so obviously when I say like potential boyfriend like I'm a grown man so

[00:41:10] like I'm not like saying like oh I want to be with this teenager right in fact I'm

[00:41:14] going to be very specific I'm gonna say Nicola Yoon's as soon as also a star you know there's

[00:41:20] this boy Daniel who's one of the protagonists I'm saying Daniel from the epilogue where we

[00:41:25] get a flash forward but I love that book so much I love the journey and he's not gay but

[00:41:30] you know it's fine like a little crush but yeah but but yeah but I mean I mean I think about

[00:41:36] that book so often and it's funny because it has a very similar structure to they both died at the end

[00:41:44] Nikki's one of my best friends and like we didn't know that we were both doing this simultaneously

[00:41:49] and you know like where you have like two narrators first person one day love story that takes

[00:41:57] place in New York and interstitial POVs from the people they interact with along the way like

[00:42:03] it's wild like her book published a year before mine and like mine had been fully written and stuff

[00:42:08] obviously at that point too just the way publishing works and like I actually wrote mine before she

[00:42:11] wrote the Suns Also Star because I wrote mine when I was like like four years before but it still was

[00:42:15] like you know it's one of my best friends but she doesn't really talk about what she's working

[00:42:20] on when she's working on it and but you know like that character like I mean I've read

[00:42:25] everything everything her debut novel in like one city and I'm such a slow reader it's also

[00:42:29] super short book and it's you fly it's also just so good you know and but the love story between

[00:42:36] like Maddie and Ali is just it's amazing but then like Natasha and Daniel like they're my like

[00:42:41] I ride or die for them I mean I guess I die for them you know it's uh yeah I mean that

[00:42:48] book published in 2016 I still think about it all the time and there was obviously a movie but

[00:42:55] like the and the movie's like really fun the book is so so much more layered and things that like

[00:43:03] they just did not adopt into the movie so so yeah I love it and yeah we're not creeping after why it has

[00:43:10] like no way we don't ask a lot of money but it's just like I love his essence I love it also in

[00:43:15] our minds when we're reading everybody is our age like I know they're teenagers but like

[00:43:21] they're really if you can't anybody a British accent it's Tom Hiddleston in my head

[00:43:26] oh that's so funny yeah and Tom yeah I was like I wonder who like for me it's maybe more like Andrew

[00:43:31] Garfield um but like that's like not good for me yes I'm such I mean I've had you know Andrew

[00:43:37] Garfield's like been my celebrity crush for like well over 10 years like uh before I crush on him

[00:43:42] um but came from Michael B Jordan but like he's our British oh yeah yeah oh god yeah

[00:43:48] god oh I was like I was into Michael B Jordan during this movie he did Chronicle which I would

[00:43:55] also say if you liked that movie you would be a fan of the Infinity Psycho especially like Brighton's

[00:44:00] arc in it and uh because it is very much like you know camcorder three guys find out they they

[00:44:07] kind of like tap into like some rock or whatever they get powers and then you know they start

[00:44:12] using the prank and then things go really bad one night or whatever um and then it turns

[00:44:16] like a big like showdown um between like you know to you know Michael B Jordan's in it I won't spoil

[00:44:21] the the movie but like um he's he's awesome I remember thinking back there I was like oh my god this guy is

[00:44:26] like gorgeous and then Black Panther happens and every all of a sudden everybody's like all on top

[00:44:31] and I was like oh you guys are so fake like I have been like I've been a real one Jordan hipster

[00:44:36] but like I've loved him since Chronicle him and Dave DaHon's big movie uh but yeah that's uh

[00:44:43] anyway you do Garfield though accent all of that yes every single bit of it I'm happily married but

[00:44:49] I always say if anything untimely happens my next husband's English like I can't I can't deal with

[00:44:54] any more Americans my husband's wonderful but I can't deal with any more Americans well send

[00:44:58] your new husband's brother my way okay deal I went in on this too guys we have to have

[00:45:07] multiple siblings okay yeah love it okay um I one more question and then we'll let you go

[00:45:14] we want to know what you're reading we know we love your books we love recommending your books

[00:45:17] we love traumatizing people with the pain of your books what are you what do you recommend

[00:45:22] that people read or what are you reading now or that's funny and I'm gonna have another

[00:45:25] plug for Nicola Yoon but I just got her adult novel um one of our kind and it's kind of like

[00:45:31] it's pictures like get out meets the Stapford wives and this uh this this plot couple who move into

[00:45:39] you know kind of like quote unquote black utopia in California where it's just like

[00:45:45] you know a town with like only black people and and something sinister starts happening

[00:45:50] like throughout the town and everything and um it's like I'm only like a couple chapters in

[00:45:55] and I just started a couple days ago but like it's it's so good I'm also reading it's fun

[00:46:00] actually to have these books right next to me and picture my dog I was it's on my notes that you

[00:46:07] have to tell Chas I love him I will give him big kisses for me because I do love him a lot

[00:46:13] yes he's he's a very good boy and then uh Robbie couch um another first chance and uh would like

[00:46:22] you know and I love I love Robbie I love his books his book if I see you again tomorrow

[00:46:28] it was like published last year it's a gay time loop novel I'm like obsessed with it and

[00:46:34] another first hand is another kind of like square speculative novel and uh yeah like I'm only a

[00:46:42] couple chapters into that one too and I told Robbie to not spoil anything for me like because I

[00:46:48] know there's like a couple really big twists in it and I was like I want to see if I can get

[00:46:51] it like I love the challenge of like figuring out a twist and I was wrong about all the

[00:46:55] twists and if I see you again tomorrow so I'm exactly closer this time now that I'm a little

[00:47:00] bit more familiar with like Robbie's like speculative writing style but uh but yeah this one is uh it's

[00:47:06] it's I mean it's just so well written and it's also his first time doing like dual POV

[00:47:10] and uh he's doing such an amazing job so far but yeah those are the two books we're big fans

[00:47:15] we're big fans of both of theirs over here yeah absolutely okay so this is the part where

[00:47:21] before we let you go we do have to let you know that unfortunately for you now that you've been on

[00:47:26] the podcast you're actually legally obligated to come back for all future book releases okay

[00:47:32] it was a tiny tiny print and we made it in white like so you would yeah

[00:47:37] get funds in against the white yeah and I mean it's your fault for not just not

[00:47:40] principally there yeah that's your fault for not selecting all to see everything you know

[00:47:45] yeah I mean I think it's more my assistant's fault so hey there we go I'm out of the contract if you

[00:47:51] guys understand you may have just put her out of her job um oh no no no we love her too no no no

[00:47:57] no that's the fine print that's what the fine print says so she should keep her job and uh

[00:48:04] and I will happily make another appearance um oh my gosh the story you leave can you give us um

[00:48:11] kind of talk about what's coming next we know tbd3 is down the pipeline um if you there's anything

[00:48:17] you can talk about that or anything else you're working on yeah I mean while I'm working on tbd3

[00:48:23] aka they both died at the end number three it was originally said to publish this fall it is not

[00:48:27] happening this fall now it's happening early next year and that's just because it's like you

[00:48:32] know I mean I was going to some personal stuff and making some like really big life changes then

[00:48:37] then I was on book tour and all this stuff so like you know it's all for like really good necessary

[00:48:41] reasons um but and you know I just want to make sure it's the best book possible it's uh it that's

[00:48:47] the both day three is going to be my tenth published novel publishing in 2025 which marks

[00:48:52] a decade of publishing books for me and uh so that feels like really really wild and you know we

[00:48:59] have some like some other fun they both died the unrelated announcements regarding the book

[00:49:04] series that will be going out some point later this year and uh like that world is growing which

[00:49:12] I'm very excited about and very grateful to all the readers who supported they both die

[00:49:16] you know when it went mega viral in 2020 and it has allowed me it's my favorite universe that

[00:49:22] I've created you know and it's it's the one that like I really do see so much potential

[00:49:28] for you know playing in that world and uh and breaking more hearts and telling stories

[00:49:36] so I'll say I'm working on that and that's I mean that's about it right now I have a couple

[00:49:40] ideas for maybe like two or three um adult book ideas that I've been sitting on for a while two

[00:49:46] one one's a little more fleshed out I mean two are pretty you know or as fleshed out as they can

[00:49:51] be at this stage right now and then another one is kind of starting to like you know

[00:49:55] poke its head in a little bit but you know right now I think the focus is on like the

[00:49:59] they both died the end series like I'm hoping after you know this last delay that's allowing me to

[00:50:05] publish it next year that you know you can count on a they both died the end book basically like

[00:50:09] year after year now um versus like the you know they both died the end published in 2017

[00:50:15] a prequel came out five years later and now it's gonna be like two and a half years but

[00:50:19] since the prequel so you know not really and then after that it'll be like another one a year a year

[00:50:25] a year so I'm yeah it's all it's all good but they both died uh they both died the end three excuse

[00:50:31] me is a romantic thriller it takes place 10 years after the events of the prequel so it takes

[00:50:37] place in 2020 but it's not like a covid pandemic novel do not worry and you know the main

[00:50:43] characters for that book are two young boys who you meet in the prequel the first guy at

[00:50:48] the end their names are paz and alano paz has a you know as a big he's part of like the a subplot

[00:50:55] thread that happens in the prequel and then alano is the son of the the death cast creator and uh

[00:51:01] and you know these boys meet for the first time 10 years later after some crazy stuff

[00:51:06] is happening in that book it's it's very different than they both died the end and I

[00:51:09] could tell you right now that it is not a 24 hour love story like it is uh it takes place

[00:51:15] over the course of a couple weeks and it's uh um it's it's very it's very different there's a lot

[00:51:21] of like you know multimedia elements to it there's a you know excerpts from a ryan pagans novel that

[00:51:28] we we you know talk about in the prequel that he always wanted to write there's uh like audition

[00:51:35] like screenplay sides that like you know has used when he booked the you know his role for

[00:51:41] the scorpious hawthorne movie uh there's excerpts from the death cast creators memoir um that he kind

[00:51:49] of talks about in the in the prequel as well there's like news articles there's a hand drawn map

[00:51:56] there's all this stuff like it's very it's very cool it's going to be packed with like a lot of

[00:52:01] cool elements so yeah I'm I'm very it's like it's shaping up to my favorite thing that I've done

[00:52:07] so I cannot wait so excited it's very deeply personal and also like it's my first book to give you a sense

[00:52:16] it's my first book that i'm ever putting a author's note with like content warnings for it because

[00:52:21] it is like it's very personal and I don't intend on you know shine away from very raw

[00:52:27] matters such as this things that I've been open about you know in my own social media feeds

[00:52:32] and everything but uh you know yeah I'm I I make cited for this book to find the readers that it needs

[00:52:39] to find but it's uh yeah so it's gonna be a lot of fun but also very heartbreaking I cannot wait to

[00:52:46] be broken again I cannot wait to be hurt again I'm ready nothing nothing hurts like an Adam Silvera

[00:52:52] no I love that I love that quote

[00:52:59] thank you so much for hanging out with us it has been so much fun we have been looking forward to

[00:53:05] this for so long and we're so glad we finally got to do it I'm saying thank you so much for putting

[00:53:12] every delay on the planet and uh no absolutely do this again after yes yes we publish it yes absolutely

[00:53:23] we we will like we would have taken the day off just to make sure this worked at him like

[00:53:29] whatever whenever we'll make it work whenever you want to talk at 3am I'm down yes we're

[00:53:35] down we're ready we're ready I'm gonna hold you to it I'm gonna tell my sister I was like

[00:53:39] scheduled for 3am I want to call their bluff I'm like listen we'll be there we'll be there

[00:53:47] awesome we'll do like a tired uh 3am session it'll be it'll be retired

[00:53:55] pajamas all right everybody it'll be fine thank you go get the hose for the cycle

[00:54:01] they are so shiny guys they are yeah really shiny in the planet like on the planet I love it

[00:54:07] they're all out now so you don't have to wait after that cliffhanger um you can breeze through all three

[00:54:13] of them which I did do like last week and it was the best thing ever yay so everybody go pick up

[00:54:20] the infinity cycle you've got infinity sun infinity reaper and infinity kings they're all out now

[00:54:25] while you're at it you can pick up the deathcast books because they're also excellent

[00:54:30] and Adam has other books to us yeah like histories I love one of the things you want to do

[00:54:35] he says like you left me more happy than not and get all of them get all of them you know you don't

[00:54:40] want them we've never steered you wrong and it's adam silver like you can't go wrong with adam

[00:54:44] silver that that's a fact thank you so much Adam we'll talk to you soon bye bye

[00:54:53] oh my god oh my god we didn't know is that real that was that real I feel like that was like

[00:54:59] possibly our best interview ever yeah and like I we were so prepared we had such good questions

[00:55:05] and I feel like we were so nervous but then it's like as soon as you get around him like because

[00:55:10] of medamate yalta us a couple of times and like the situation like being so nice to my niece every

[00:55:15] time I've met him has been like love that man I'm right hard for him forever just on how cool

[00:55:20] he is with her but he's got such a presence like as soon as you're with him you're like oh I'm

[00:55:26] just talking to my bestie yeah it's not it's you know like like he's a globally known author

[00:55:32] he's an internationally best-selling author and he also is just so down to earth and so chill I love

[00:55:39] him and yeah we love you at puts you at ease immediately just with his presence so I'm gonna

[00:55:45] send you the system and edible arrangement right sorry we lost your job she is listen

[00:55:53] she put up with so many unhinged emails from me when we first started trying to book things so it's

[00:55:58] like she deserves the world we love her we talked to Adam so oh my god year in the making and it's

[00:56:06] here it's finally here and worth the way so good it was so good I love him so much can't wait for

[00:56:13] the next one me too my god I'm so excited okay um do we have any announcements we're not interviewing

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