I’ve Never Been So Feral in a Theatre

[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the incoherent fangirl!

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We're this week we invited back one of our besties to freestyle with us.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Woo, stay tuned!

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Mandy of Antica.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Karin from Glasgow.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, that sounds fun.

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I really want to be from Glasgow.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Can we like make that a real thing?

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Anywhere but here.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I hate it here.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate it here too because you're about to be mean to me.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry!

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Timeline date is August 15th and in y'all's timeline it is August 23rd.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like that at all.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_03]: That's real gross.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just let's just keep moving along.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: This week in fangirling, what'd you do?

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Not a lot.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got some stuff going on with my family so I didn't do a ton this week other

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: than like family stuff.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We've had the stomach bug in the house.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been fun but I am trucking along on my throne of glass reread whenever I

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: take my nieces to school or I'm cooking or cleaning or doing whatever.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening to the audiobooks.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in the middle of Tower of Dawn which everybody hates but especially on the second

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like the second go round I'm really enjoying it because now that I know how everybody

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: lands it's I don't know it's just like I can really sit in and enjoy the new characters

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you meet and Kale's story and like getting more of his background so really having

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: fun.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I put a note that I'll also fist fight you on Kale Westfall.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't deserve the hate he gets.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like him my first read until I got to Tower of Dawn and realized that I'm married

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: to Kale and now I will fist fight anybody who looks at Kale Westfall sideways.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll catch these hands.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I realized last night that I never talked about going to see taking Max Sunday and

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: one night.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god!

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That's insane.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So we took my nieces to see taking Max Sunday for their first time.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Not mine.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: By a long shot.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Not Josh's by a long shot.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So they got to see some Lazare Mike swings where he swings his microphone around his

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: neck while he's singing and he'll just have it like wrapped and then he'll undo

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it and that man taches across the stage and but the coolest thing that happened

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is so we saw it we saw them at the Tabernacle in Atlanta which is like this really old

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: building and it's got like wraparound balconies.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's got like two levels.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: There might be a third way up high but I love the second floor balcony to the left of the

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: stage where you just like you look down and you're like right at the stage.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to be in front of the stage getting the perfect angle like I just I think

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: it's cool to be up there.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not like crowded in people their seats so it was general admission so we

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: hopped up there and we're watching Citizen the Band play which was the opener and

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: my niece like claw grabs my leg and she's like like shaking my leg and I look over

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and Adam Lozare has walked out a door right here and is just like watching Citizen

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: play and of course I like my heart stops.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I love I've loved this man since I was 13 years old.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: OK. My heart stops.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And so Josh is like go give him a hug.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Go say hi.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Are you kidding me?

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: No. So yeah that was cool.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They were great as always.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people hate on them live.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I will never take that noise somewhere else.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We've been trying to have some movie nights with the family.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So this week we watched A Quiet Place Day 1 New York City the day that the aliens

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: from the A Quiet Place movies attack.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is like the origin story.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Lupita Nwongo plays a terminally ill woman living in a hospice facility.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Her friend slash nurse kind of convinces her to go on this field trip to a

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: show in the city.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: She begrudgingly agrees and as they're leaving the show the aliens enter the

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: atmosphere and start like crashing into the city and attacking people because

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: they track even the smallest noise and they attack and kill the if it's like a

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: living source of sound.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They kill it.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's a car alarm they crush it whatever.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Through a series of movie plot events she meets Eric who is an English law

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: student who is living in New York City to finish his law degree because

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it's looking like the end of the actual world.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They end up staying together.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: They banned power and numbers whatever.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The true star of the movie is Frodo the cat.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He's our problematic king.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He's problematic because Frodo my sweet darling the aliens are blind.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: This is not the time to run amok and make everything that can make a sound

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: make a sound.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They are beating off of the sounds Frodo.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Stop this madness.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But for those like me Frodo the cat survives unharmed.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Just spoiler but Frodo is fine.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: This is probably my least favorite A Quiet Place movie so far which is sad

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: because I love Lupita.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Joseph Quinn but there were just some really questionable bits.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I don't want to say a movie about aliens with unrealist act but

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: there's inconsistencies.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So a care of one some character dies because and I'm not saying that's a

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: major carriage someone dies because the fabric of the skirt rips and that

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: aliens can hear it and attack another character is stuck under water and

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: comes above the water and is splashing and gasping for air and is not

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: attacked or killed.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And the shirt rip happens inside a building the water gasping for air

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: screaming happens outside.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Just contradictory to the rules that we already have established about A

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Quiet Place.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That kind of took me out of it.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Josh said that it felt like they were trying to be more artsy fartsy in

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: this movie than the other two.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We still enjoyed it though it wasn't bad.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: OK so I started Lady Macbeth by Ava Reid.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a Macbeth reimagining you've got Lady Roceale.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: She's got like six names in the little.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what he calls it the personae majora or whatever that

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Shakespeare does.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Dramatis personae.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So Lady Roceale is betrothed to a Scotsman of all things.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: She are she's kind of confident in herself.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: She knows she's more vicious than he is.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: She's got this hodgepodge magic.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems I saw one reviewer say it was like Frankenstein.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Frankenstein's monster magic where it's just like pieced together.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But like there's also whispers that she's cursed.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's going like it was very Queen Charlotte like she's on the way to her

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: wedding when you start the story.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's ready to go through all of the court politics and play them to her

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: advantage knowing that she has these secret powers that nobody knows about.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But her husband has things up his sleeve too that she didn't expect.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I've heard great things of her not so great things.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to keep going and decide things for myself.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember almost nothing about Macbeth.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time and yeah, I school lit class.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And then today I read how to piss off men by Kyle Prue.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It is an anthology of how to destroy the male ego.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just very quick little say this, win this.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I gave my husband one and he was like, Jesus.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, Oh, I love your cosplay.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Say this to a man wearing a football jersey.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And when they say I'm not, it's not a cosplay, it's a jersey.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Say, right, but you're not a football player or, or say, well, he's the

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: referee, he's qualified to make that call.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Say that to a man whose team got a bad call.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know how, okay.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I get the spirit of it, but do you know how upset I would be if that was said to

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: me because they do make bad calls?

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally witnessed it last night watching baseball.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I do love the spirit of that.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's like, um, you have the confidence of a much taller man.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and this one is I thought your voice would be deeper.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Say this if you feel like torpedoing a hinge date.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there was another one that was like, you smell nicer than I thought

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you would, and it was like, this will make him feel good for five minutes

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and then bad for the rest of his life.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 out of 10, no notes.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, it's a very quick read because it's just like, you know, a

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: few sentences a page, but I've been dying for this.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been following this series.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: On tick tock for ever.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so cool.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's all I did this week.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do a whole lot.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I've talked forever, but yeah.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you do this week?

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I also didn't do a whole lot.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still readjusting to my new work schedule.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So everything's kind of bleh.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I did read Lady Macbeth by Ava Reid.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember exactly zero things about Shakespeare's Macbeth.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So I went into it completely.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't remember anything.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even a hundred percent sure Macbeth was one of the plays that we

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: read when we did Shakespeare in high school.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's entirely possible that I've actually never read Macbeth.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I read it in high school or if I went and saw it with my

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: mom, cause we used to do like go to plays.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I've seen it.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I, I, you know, I feel like, you know, when people are like, I, I

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: don't know X, Y, Z, but it's been so long that I'm like too embarrassed to speak

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: up about it.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that about Macbeth.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Is Macbeth the one with the skull?

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to Google it while you talk about it.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the Scottish play.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the one that you don't say in a theater, like the name of it

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_03]: in a theater because it's bad luck.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's the-

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that's from Hamlet.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're right.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it is the that play, right?

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the bad luck play.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna Google that too.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you never, you don't ever say the name of this play in like a theater

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: because it's bad luck or something.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, that is beside-

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is terrible accidents, injuries, illnesses and death.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyways-

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope we're not counting this play.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, we're not in a theater.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it has to be in a theater.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Or, or like where a performance is about to take place.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: So this is not a performance.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_03]: This is us being completely unhinged.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Naturally.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, Lady Macbeth, you talked about it.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have much to add.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I, I enjoyed it, but I also am like the least critical person that I know.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to media.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So like-

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You can separate it.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm, I'm very, it takes a lot for me to not enjoy something.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I can usually find something to enjoy.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Very, very rarely do I write books under three stars.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And when I do, it's a big deal because I couldn't find it.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I have two one stars and I think I've deleted them from Goodreads

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because I don't, I think it's mean, but there were like real reasons.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so I, I enjoyed it.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: There is, you know, it is re-imagining of Macbeth from Lady Macbeth's kind

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: of perspective and there are some, I guess, would you say fantasy?

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's fantasy.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: There's elements to it.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_03]: There's pieces.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like paranormal fantasy.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I always am never sure what like that fine line is between paranormal and fantasy.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: When there's witchcraft.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The magic.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Karen's getting violent.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: My coaster stuck to the bottom of my water bottle and fell off

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: after I lifted it up, so it's going well over here.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like something broke.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: My coaster is like a, one of those like it's like a tile.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, it's heavy.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So when it fell, it made a noise.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know why I have a coaster.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: This thing doesn't, it's very insulated.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: This is so unhinged.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so sorry.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, I enjoyed it.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: This is incoherent.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We're on brand.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: There was, it was, I, I had a lot of fun.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I, when I was reading it, I did think to myself, I don't know that

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I am smart enough to read Ava Reed's adult books.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: The first paragraphs, I was like, this is above my head.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, can I do a whole book of this?

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I truly, truly was like, I do not know that I am smart

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: enough to follow Ava Reed.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And I, I say that with the utmost respect for their craft.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I'm, I'm, I'm the problem.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like that TikTok sound.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Am I stupid?

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Am I dumb?

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, I get that.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I also hate the people who were like, you didn't stick to the

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: source code of Shakespeare.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Shakespeare wouldn't freaking love that how many hundreds of years later

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: people are still like remixing his work.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be like, yes girl.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean girl and like not trying to disrespect anybody's pronouns,

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_01]: but like he'd be like, yes, get it.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Go.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Girl as like a gender neutral, like,

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: As like a yes, go remix it.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell this story.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like to like, I think that Shakespeare would be so happy.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like his work has endured for hundreds of years.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: People are still referencing it.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: People are still finding things from it and creating more from it.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that is, I feel like one of the highest honors.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, so,

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like he'd probably be thrilled that he's got a cursed

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: point too.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That is so true.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I will say I really enjoyed Lady Macbeth.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: The ending for me personally was, I don't know, kind of anticlimactic, I guess.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, I'm not mad at it.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I just kind of was hoping there would be more.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_03]: So my favorite thing so far is, oh my God.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The naked hardcover.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so, are you kidding?

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's disgusting.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so bright and beautiful and amazing.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love it so much.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I am also reading, I'm currently reading Ugly by Kelly Vincent.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Which is, I think they're meant to be, it's a series that I think you can read

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: them as standalones and it follows Nick who is a girl living in Oklahoma.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And she is kind of like an outcast.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: She has one friend, her best friend Sam, and nobody really wants to like get

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: to know her or be friends with her.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody is constantly bullying her.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, she, and she's really down on herself as well.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, I'm ugly, I'm fat, blah, blah, blah.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: No, why would anybody want to be friends with me?

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And very insecure and anxious and that kind of thing, which high

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_03]: school, I think we can all relate to that on some level, like maybe

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_03]: not to the same extent, but like, I feel like high school is where you're

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be like bullying yourself a whole lot more.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so basically everybody is the worst.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: They call her fat.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: They call her ugly.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of that she dresses.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_03]: She really prefers loose clothing.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: She prefers no makeup.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, she gets mistaken for a boy a lot.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: People call her a lesbian as like an insult.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's awful.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not at the end, but it seems like this book is meant to kind of

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: document Nick's journey towards accepting herself and figuring out who she is.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm really hoping that she does because I think that she's awesome.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like if we went, if I went to school with Nick, I'd be like,

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: okay, this is not cool.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Y'all need to back the fuck up and we're going to be friends, you and I.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's very like artistic and very creative and all of that.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And so midway, like halfway through their, I think it's their senior year, her

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: best friend, her family moves to Glasgow because of her dad's job.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And so now Nick is like, Oh crap.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I have, I literally have no friends.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to be social.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, and then there's, I don't know if I would call this the

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_03]: inciting incident because it happens so late in the book, but she does do like

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: an art piece that I thought in my mind, it looked really cool.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought it was awesome.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Apparently somebody at the school thought it was a threat of violence,

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: which it had nothing to do with violence in my late at all.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And so she kind of gets forced into therapy.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And I will say her parents are so

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: supportive of her and they love her so much.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And they just want her to be happy.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, yes, the school is forcing her, them to be like, Hey, maybe she should go

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: to therapy, but her parents also think that it would be good for her just

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: based on her experiences, the situation.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And so she goes to therapy, therapist is a man and the worst, and she

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: eventually finds a better therapist for her and I'm, she's starting to get

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_03]: there, I think, and I'm really hoping like, and it, for me personally,

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like, Oh, I really love this because it's so representative, I think, of

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: the therapy process because I was going to say that you don't you don't always

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: click with somebody right away.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you go to therapy and it's like a immediate solution and you're

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: immediately trust this person in a spot.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to be able to vibe with the therapist.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And if they don't vibe with you,

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: they can't help you no matter how many degrees they have, no matter

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: how much education they have, they can't help you if you guys just don't click.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Some personalities just don't mix.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's really cool to see that on the page because I think we do as a

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: society needs one be more like verbal about therapy and mental health and all

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: of that and two to show this process like it's not just you go to therapy

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're fixed. You're fixed.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, there's nothing to fix.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And second of all, they're just teaching you coping things and coping mechanisms

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and how to you how to help you.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's a journey.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I'm enjoying watching the journey.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And I hope that by the end there is some sort of based on the fact that I

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: think that these are meant to be or could be standalones.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there will be a satisfactory ending.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. But we'll find out.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say one of the things that Kelly does in this book.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And it drives me crazy, but only because I am an adult and not anything on their

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: writing, they've nailed the high schooler voice.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so irritating because high schoolers are irritating,

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: not because the writing is bad.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just I just feel like reading this.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It very much reads as a high schooler is talking to me.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: See, the author right in then because I live with two of them.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be like one of them tell a story.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like, this is there.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just man.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, where am I right now?

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Have I gone back in time?

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Like this is and it's the most like it's the most high school thing.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm enjoying it, but it does also irritate me strictly because I'm like,

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: grow up.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But that's the whole point.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She's supposed to make your brain finish forming.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Can you hurry up and grow up?

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: God, I'm enjoying it.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not done with it, but I'm enjoying it.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And I have books two and three ready to go.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited that I can kind of binge them all at once.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And the last thing is well, not the last thing.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Last thing I read in the middle of reading Sing Me to Sleep by Gabby Burton.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I really could not tell you what it's about.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I started it when I was very sleepy.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't remember.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think there is there's a girl who is so she's a siren.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: She's a siren and sirens are like supposed to be extinct in their like society.

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And so the people in power really, really hate sirens.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And so if they found out that she was a siren, she would get murdered or sent away.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Again, don't remember.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But she has been living and kind of hiding who she is for a very long time.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And she is has just passed this test.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like an examination for the kids who are in this.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds to me like it's some sort of like military academy training camp kind

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: of thing, and then once you take the test based on your ranking,

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: you get to go into certain positions and she kicks ass and wins the whole not

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: wins, but like she is first in her class and gets offered the position of

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like something like I don't want to say

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: personal assistant because that sounds like not a great job, but like basically

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: she has to go follow the crown prince around and is part of her.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_03]: No, and this is the worst thing ever

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_03]: because his whole family hates her people hate sirens.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, that's about as far as I'm at right now, but I'm enjoying it.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's fascinating.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting. I really curious.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if this is like an enemies to lovers,

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_03]: but I would love for it to be enemies.

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it might be.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It feels like it might be.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And forbidden romance.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Very excited to see and he is so she's like so like grumpy.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's just it's grumpy sunshine.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_03]: She's very grumpy.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's just like, hey, let's go party.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, what the fuck?

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to hang out with you.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm only here because I'm supposed to protect you.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, well, I order you to party.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just so funny.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, he is so un-serious and it's hilarious.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But she's like super serious.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like, I love it.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And she because she's a siren,

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: any time like water touches her, she gets these urges to murder people.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And so she has played it off because I guess in their society,

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: like certain elements can make certain people feel weak.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And so she's like, oh, water makes me weak.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So she tries to stay away from it.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So she doesn't have this.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But she also is kind of like she's also kind of like the epitome of I

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: support women's wrongs, like she will go out and be like,

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: well, that's a terrible person and I'm going to go get rid of them

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: because I need to satisfy it's like Dexter.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but a female siren.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: The description that I read eventually, it's going to be like the prince is going

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: to be like, oh, we need to investigate these murders.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's going to be like, oh, yeah, we totally should do that.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely was not me.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's that's the vibes I'm getting.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully I will have more to say on that next week.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: No, you won't because we don't have a this week in fangirling next week.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll have to update us in a few weeks.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: A sneak peek for y'all then.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mandy.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So I will try not to read it when I am very sleepy so I can properly

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_03]: finish it.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then, of course, I've been watching Claim to Fame last night.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I was editing the podcast last night as I was watching the new episode.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like talking about the week before.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's funny while watching the new week.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it was very amusing, I guess, spoiler alerts.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But this podcast episode is coming out a week after this episode.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, I really just care that Casey has seen it.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I know that Casey has seen it.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're good.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, spoiler alerts.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Danny is not related to Bad Bunny.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Very sad to know this because he got sent home last night.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Who was his relative?

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Mark Anthony.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like and I really didn't.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So what were the clues?

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So his two T's.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: WWE Grammy.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Uncle.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So Uncle, pro wrestler and a Grammy.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, dude, I feel like if you're going to say that saying pro wrestler

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and Grammy is such a good way to throw people off, if that is actually like

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: because you wouldn't you know, you wouldn't say that.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, whatever.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, you would.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, I'm very sad about it.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But there's the only girl left in the show is Mackenzie.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And she is related to who the trace Atkins is that is that a star?

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like six six. Right.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the clue.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: The clue that gives it away is a six six country star who won the apprentice.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I it's trace.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Casey says trace and I'm like trace Atkins.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the name, right?

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a place.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyways, so she is related to trace.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Googling.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's trace Atkins.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's that's it.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He is six six.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, so no idea him.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Hosier height.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And so she she's adorable.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I adore her, but she is low key working with Adam and HUD.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: When HUD I'm mad at because he backstabbed Naomi a couple of episodes ago.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And Adam's the guy that I really hate this season.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and so I'm like, Mackenzie, what are you doing?

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But she turns out to be a very good liar because she had everybody thinking

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: that she was related to Blake Shelton, and that's why Danny got sent home.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh, Danny, baby.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I continue to dislike Adam.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But we have figured out well, we Casey and I have figured Casey has figured out

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: who Adam is, and now I know because Casey has told me he is somehow related

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: to Michael Bolton and nobody has figured it out yet.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And we keep wanting to yell at the

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_03]: screen because we want Adam to go home.

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I hate him so much at this point.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I just want him to not win anybody.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're like anybody but Adam.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I just do not care.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly what happened last season.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Last season, I was like anybody but Chris, anybody but Chris.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And this season, it's anybody but Adam.

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see how it goes.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, good times.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, Casey was texting me at the beginning of while we were recording

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and I kept seeing things pop up on my screen.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like,

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: let me check.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that was my week.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That was a good week.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a fictional boyfriend?

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what?

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say it's I think it's Lysander from Lady Macbeth.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They all have so many names.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm confused by this.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But well, she explains it in the thing.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyways, because they're like different

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_03]: language names have different.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Nunciations or whatever.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's Lysander, I think.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Lysander, the elder son of King Duncan, Prince of Cumberland.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I love him. No, no.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I got.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I got.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: How about you?

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with Kale Westfall, my little misunderstood boy.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He tries so hard.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got so much internalized trauma that everybody thinks he has to be the

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: captain of the guard and be so tough.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And he is just trying his best.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love Kale.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: People need to leave that boy alone.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I already love him.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. You're going to go through a roller coaster with Kale.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't a spoiler.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: This is just a funny thing that people love to laugh at about him.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Selena, who's like the main character of the first few books, tells him she's

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: on her courses and he jumps up and runs out of the room.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember you mentioning this.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny because he's just like,

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: gone.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's my favorite.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I die every time I read that.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I just die.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So I love my sweet baby Kale.

[00:28:42] Yay.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and in case you're interested,

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: my fictional girlfriend of the week is Aurora Lake Evans from Canadian.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, yeah.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, friends, we're going to have a fan go freestyle for the first time in

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how long, but we have brought back our good friend Jason B.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Dutton, who, as you know, wrote this book.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, hey, hold on.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I have it right here.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, it's right there.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It's way up there.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: He wrote this book in case you forgot how dance.

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's way up there.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Mandy, Mandy, you put it on a top shelf.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: What have we have you not learned?

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: How's anybody in the wheelchair going to get that book, Mandy?

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's on my autograph shelf.

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: That's where all my autograph books are.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so so you're saying nobody,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: nobody in a wheelchair can get any of your.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, OK. All right.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's allowed to have it.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm upstairs.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just messing with you.

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm upstairs.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I should establish

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: a position of esteem with my autographs.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That truly means a lot.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I should probably say as a disclaimer that that if I start really

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_00]: messing with you, it's an indication that I really like you.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So at that point,

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_00]: score.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to clarify it because people start defending.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, no, no, if it wasn't this, it would be something else.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I would find another reason.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, we all have the book.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's up there.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03]: It's there.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway,

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_03]: we're not talking about the book today, but if you haven't read it,

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: you should go read it.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's excellent.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: We are going I'm going to make a statement that I believe is true and facts

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and everybody should believe it.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But not a lot of people do.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm really annoyed by it.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_03]: So I would like to know what you all think.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I have a feeling that at least I know Mandy will agree with me,

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Jason. I don't know your thoughts.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see in a moment.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, everybody ready?

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Ready my very inflammatory statement here.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, here we go.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Bucky Barnes does not need to appear on screen in Captain America.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Very hard, agree, hard, agree, hard, agree.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it'd be nice to see him.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of miss him, but I don't I don't need to see.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's I don't think it's necessary.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I think having Bucky and as somebody who is secretly married to

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Stan, I did think about that today.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Does not does not know that.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, just throwing that out there.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I am saying this, OK?

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I am believing this.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So this, I feel like carries much weight.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that Bucky needs to be physically in this movie at all.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Sam has a phone call with him at some point so that I don't know,

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: we can lead into the.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He still is alive.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: He's still hanging out.

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They're still friends, but he doesn't need to appear on screen for any reason.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So what I actually credit.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like just let Sam have his damn movie, guys.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So what you're what I hear you saying is is actually that the movie will

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_00]: probably be better if Bucky isn't in it, right?

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Because Bucky will distract from I think.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's I can get by.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I can get behind that.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think and I think that was part of I don't want to say great

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: because Falcon and the Winter Soldier was very much about both of their

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: journeys, but I think at the end of the day, like it also having Bucky there

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: took away from Sam's moment to shine as the new Captain America.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And I would completely agree with that.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He deserves that.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_03]: He deserves to shine as himself as Captain America.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is a black man taking on the mantle of Captain America.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He deserves to have his damn moment.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love Bucky from the bottom of my heart.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_03]: But that man needs to be doing something else.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, can we talk about how D23 already stole the moment when they showed

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the trailer and then immediately were like, by the way, Robert Downey Jr.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to be done to my God, which is the whole thing that I don't

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: know if we need to get into, but I.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Jesus Christ.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, no, I would say to stick with the original point for a second,

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say not only does he deserve his moment, but as someone who is very

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: recently well acquainted with the six episodes of Falcon and the Winter Soldier,

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say that he that he needs it.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: He needs it for the sake of not even putting putting his race aside as a

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: character, he needs it because Sam doesn't doesn't have any ability.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not special.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have a superpower and he doesn't have he didn't create his suit.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't I think we need more development of his character so that we

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: follow him as a character right now, he's been a great sidekick.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I enjoy watching him.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Anthony Mackie does a good job,

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: but I really think they need to give me a compelling reason.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Chris Evans, I don't know that he was compelling as being that good kind

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_00]: of hobbles you a little bit because you if you're if he's always doing

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: the right thing, it's not quite as interesting.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But with with Sam, I mean, well, Chris had the the advantage of at least he has

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the super serum and he's also noble enough that he's always he's that good

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: a person they need to they need to come up with something a little more

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: compelling for Sam to glom onto, which I think is going to be what they

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_00]: what they went after in the series, which is, look, I'm a black man

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_00]: with the stars in the stripes.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be fighting all these

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_00]: fights that I don't have powers that I'm only that I'm doing this

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: because I feel like it's the right thing to do.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a lot of really compelling stuff to get into.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But you're right.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_00]: The movie is probably I mean, let's let's say it's two hours long, hopefully.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's only so much real estate.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I think it needs to be his film.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I just had a light bulb moment as

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_03]: you were talking because you're saying how Sam doesn't have any superpowers.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's just a regular guy putting on the suit and doing his thing.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And that is so like if you think about it really deeply,

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: that is so representative of the experience of America.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: We have we have Steve Rogers, a white man who has powers.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And we have Sam Wilson, a black man who doesn't.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's in our society.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to fight battles that he's going to have to never have.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He's going to have to fight twice as hard to get as far.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yes.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And and it's so like, I don't know, maybe I'm just dumb

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and didn't realize it until right now, but like, it's so representative.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Of America as it is.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be power.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be not my captain, not my captain.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not my captain.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? Maybe maybe I don't know.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how deep they're going to go with it, but probably.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I think you're absolutely right.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's representative of America.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they they touched on that in the series.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's yeah, if he doesn't if he doesn't have a power,

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: if he hasn't made his suit, if there had to me, there has to be a reason

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: for that for that character to be well, they're superheroes.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. What makes him super?

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, it's that he chooses to take up that mantle.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not I mean, he's he's military.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So he's physically gifted.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: They showed him doing all the somersaults and fighting people.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But there were a few times where he's

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: in that series fighting super soldiers and I'm going like he

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and they might even want to touch on that is like, I don't know how.

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to use the word qualified, but I would be scared

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_00]: if I was if I just had like the flight suit and I'm going up against some

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: super so I'm glad he got to walk on literally pinching.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Glad they walked on the other Captain America, by the way.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That guy was taking me off the whole time.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_03]: The

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_03]: walker or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I I feel so bad for Wyatt Russell,

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: the actor, because I will never be able to watch him in anything and not

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: viscerally hating him.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so I'm sure he's a lovely person, but I just one would hope

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt that about Captain America until Sam.

[00:36:17] So

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I've always been like, I hate it.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Golly gee, yeah.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't like it.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I think going back to Falcon and the Winter Soldier for a minute,

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: like it is it is both of their stories, but I think it's mostly Buckeyes.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that series, yes, it introduces Sam as Captain America.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think most of that story, at least and somebody please do tell me

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: if I'm wrong, because I could be wrong.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like it's I doubted Buckeyes character development.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It introduces Sam and we get brave new world will be Sam's character

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: development and becoming Captain America like Buckeye was becoming Buckeye,

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: not the Winter Soldier.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Sam is now going to become Captain America, not Falcon, which is a whole

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: other thing somebody said.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I said this on the Internet.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, I said the statement on the Internet and somebody came into my car.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody quoted me and commented on it.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, they said something about how Steve had Sam.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So therefore Sam should have Buckeye.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Steven, Sam is Captain America and Falcon.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Sam will have his own Falcon in Joaquin Torres.

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So what?

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's no it's a false equivalency.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the man proceeded to delete his comments.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So I went there you go.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Congrats.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Let the little Asian girl tell you about comic books.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: No, congratulations.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we should give that one to you.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: That was I'm very powerful in that.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, as well you should have.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. Yeah.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think you're I think you're right.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they introduced and I felt that watching.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the other thing is we already know Buckeye a lot better.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: We were introduced to Buckeye in First Avenger.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And he has this whole path of we thought he was dead.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_00]: He's not he's evil.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not. And so but Sam really up until now has existed as caps

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_00]: entertaining and able psychic, you know, on your on your left.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. But yes.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So they need to give him ample room to to build his thing,

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_00]: which I totally think there's material to do there.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: There's always for me, there's always that that scary like we love this

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_00]: character, let's see more of this character.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they and then it turns out

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: that that character can't sustain the space they're giving him.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's the case here.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I think he has a lot of story to tell.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I just I don't know where they're going with it specifically.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if they I think I think that specific point,

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if they did bring Buckeye in, then that would be very much like

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: we love this character.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's put him in more things.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And it would be a detriment to his character to put him in Sam's movie.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, yeah.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even think the I mean, they they they probably decided to do

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Falcon and Winter Soldier off the strength of their chemistry,

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_03]: like in Civil War and I think they needed they needed their moment.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, everybody I think everybody could see that they had a very buddy

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_03]: cop, like hilarious relationship and they wanted to expand on that.

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: In addition to introducing Buckeye's therapy and Sam becoming Captain America.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think it I you know, I mean, I

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: potentially potentially hot take from me would be that I liked how they had them

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: both in the same show and dealt with their own stuff in the same show.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the buddy cop stuff in the show didn't work as well.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: They had I don't remember it being like a funny.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they had a couple of funny moments.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Because the strength of that is is the like when they're in

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: when Cap kisses Sharon and they have the little back and forth in the car.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like those are moments that you laugh real hard at because they work as

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_00]: moments, but then if you take those two characters and you try to do we're

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: going to do like an hour of that, then not all those jokes land.

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think they should I don't think they should try to stretch that out.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I did like seeing I'd forgotten how much Sharon is in Falcon and Winter Soldier.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She was fun. I would be I would be intrigued if they

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: brought her back because they did stuff with her that they've never really tied off.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're going to have to bring her back.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: She's she's got a plot line.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Got some stuff going on.

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the negotiations and available actors or not or what

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: in the world they're going to do next.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I'm with you. Buckeye doesn't need to be in it.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just hoping it's a good movie.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little I'm a little scared, but we'll see.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know who I want to stop seeing in movies?

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's that? The multiverse.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so tired of the multiverse.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so tired of it.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's ruined things.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the multiverse in that it provides a way.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, the way they did it

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_00]: in Daredevil and introduced all the it's it's a very meta device.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. It allows us to see other portrayals of characters.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So the only time I really liked it was

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Spider-Man No Way Home, but that had to do and that was the only one.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that had to do entirely with my relationship with Spider-Man and not.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, agree. Not as a plot device.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just so happy that they were bringing everybody in.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never been so feral in a theater.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I would all three have to be the title of the episode.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: We took my nieces and their friends and we picked them up.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: They had like a half day at school.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We picked them up.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We went on and Josh and I are like jumping up, screaming in the theater.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And these kids are like, yeah, they don't care.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: They yell in because these guys showed up and it's.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not the I mean, to your point,

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that's that's not the strength of the multiverse plot device.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's your relationship with 20 years of movies.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So I would I would agree with you where like, you know, let's have

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: characters die with like real stakes and not like, well, hey, we brought

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: them back through this the doppelganger or whatever like, you know,

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_03]: it gets a little I like the concept of it as an idea.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just feel like it's been executed well.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Declavive made a joke about it like he did.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've done it too much.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: We've over.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do I do think I'd like the idea of it.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if it's done well, it could be Loki was getting there.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it could it could get there.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But because of the way that they've pushed projects out so quickly

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: in the past few years that it just it suffered.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I get triggered even thinking about multiverse of madness really

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: suffered where the multiverse wasn't even there.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's fair enough.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you wanted the acronym to be mom because you really

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: saw Mother's Day. I hate it.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you that mattered a lot to me, Mandy.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: That was when I saw the preview.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, it's no, I didn't even think about that until just now.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, that's what it's a movie about motherhood.

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Get out of here.

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Who said that?

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You said it was a movie about mother.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: There's well, it's Wanda having lost her

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: children and it makes her guess.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and it came out Mother's Day weekend.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_03]: What mother is going to harm other children?

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_03]: What what what?

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's a really good take on that.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Hate, hate, hate, hate.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I hated that movie.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say the one thing I enjoyed about that movie.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there were two things.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_00]: One is that Rachel McAdams was in it.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing I enjoy.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I yeah, she's my favorite.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing I enjoyed about it was almost had very little to do with the movie itself.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It was the one Marvel movie that I thought was unique on account of its director.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It was about as far in one direction as you could get stylistically, which I liked.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I like the fact that like Rami did it and it's like, oh, this feels different

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_00]: from every other movie.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But having said that, I haven't I haven't watched it since I saw it the first time.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a big horror movie guy.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even really huge.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Strange.

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he works better for me as part of the ensemble and not so much.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just his own his own thing.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Despite Rachel McAdams, I went because Elizabeth Olsen was there.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was so afraid to tell Karen I hated it when we recorded the next week.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And she didn't like it either.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I feel like that says a lot.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Just like how I'm like Bucky shouldn't be in this movie.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I only went to this movie because

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: of Elizabeth Olsen and I didn't enjoy it.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like that says a lot about the movie.

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you're a mature, sophisticated lady and your fandom isn't dependent on one

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_00]: person. You can make statements on the movies themselves.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So your loyalty isn't unconditional.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I feel like that I listen.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_03]: This is me inflating myself a little bit, but I feel like my opinion matters

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit more because I love them so much.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I see that.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: As somebody as somebody who is very biased, here is my unbiased opinion.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I've been a fan of Robert Downey Jr.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_00]: since the 90s and I saw the Dr.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Doom announcement and went,

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: well, it's because they're trying to hurt us because now we have to watch Tom

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Holland and Robert Downey Jr. and they had this wonderful relationship.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's going to be, oh, wait a minute.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's coming back as Spidey and they're going to do that.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But Tom Holland, I don't know anything about.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, that's just what I say.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the assumption is that they're trying to put that in our faces.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be the most and you know what?

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I would really they said that he's going to be playing Victor Von Doom.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But like in the comics, Tony, Tony Stark himself does become.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't see. Yeah, I read up on that a little bit.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very curious if that is the truth or if they are trying to spin it.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And if they and I mean, because there is a really great opportunity to make

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_03]: it really, really, really hurt if it's actually a Tony variant.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. You guys, you guys in your enthusiasm for pain, I just I don't know.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's going to be great.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to destroy us.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_00]: We won't be able to just function again.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I need to feel something to feel alive.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, yeah, I am dead inside.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So if I have pain, that's why I'm trying to get you to read

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Throne of Glass, Karen, because it's all pain.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all pain.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Listen, I just recently relived through your niece,

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_03]: the pain of Serpent and Dove.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't need that quite yet.

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, she came down here.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was going to start cussing.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you do this to me?

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you do this to me?

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You knew you knew you let me read this anyway.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So wow.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like vicariously living through that.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, I can't. I can't.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I let my niece read Serpent and Dove and Blood and Honey.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: She's in Gods and Monsters.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: The most painful character death I've ever survived happened.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't tell her that I was coming.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And so she was a little upset.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: She's a little upset with me.

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_01]: She got a little mad.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I,

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a weird relationship with those sorts of things because I realize

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_00]: objectively if you have a story where absolutely nothing goes wrong,

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't have a story, right?

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's some of the objection I have with, like,

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_00]: say your typical Hallmark movie where it's like there wasn't even

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_00]: a club here. They did like they're just sort of sitting in the coffee shop.

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But on the other hand, like I am a huge wuss when it comes to like,

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_00]: well, why did that person have to like, I feel like if it serves the plot.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Why? OK, all right.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Why? It's so painful.

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there are a couple like, did you guys watch The Vampire Diaries at all?

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, OK, listen, I watched the first several seasons

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_03]: multiple times because I kept watching it, bingeing and catching up and then

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_03]: falling off and then forgetting by the time I wanted to watch it again.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_03]: What happened? So I had to restart.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I never forgive them for he was your first love.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I intend to be your last and then doing nothing and then doing nothing with it.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You do nothing with that.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You give us that hope and then you do nothing.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So my so so I have a friend who

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_00]: campaigned literally for like the better part of a decade.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She was like, you've got to watch Vampire Diaries.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I don't know.

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I finally, for her sake, watched it and I really liked it for a number of reasons.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But I bring it up because there were two or three examples of like,

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_00]: there is no reason for you to have these characters end up in this horrible.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_00]: They are a couple of things like Bonnie.

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't remember the guy,

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_00]: the blonde guy that always gets the short end of the stick.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the only the guy that kind of like to Matt.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So Bonnie and Matt in particular, I was like, I get it.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_00]: If it moves the story along,

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I get it if it's a consequence of who they are.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I get it if they did something wrong.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I get it if it's thematically what you're trying to do.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you just they didn't deserve any after like eight years or whatever it

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_00]: was, if you just send them up the road, like I got really mad a couple of times

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_00]: because they literally didn't deserve it.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And there was no reason in my mind.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't any reason to do it thematically.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So I will watch a character die and be OK with it unless I just feel like

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you're just being mean like they didn't.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I need to live in a world

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: where where good things kind of happen to good people and bad things happen

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: to bad people and eventually, that's fair.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I say all of this like I'm not a Klaus girlie through and through.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I like Klaus.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It took me. I like his brother better.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I forget his brother's Josh is an Elijah guy.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Elijah. I thought Elijah was so we live like a couple of hours

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_01]: from Covington, which is where they film it.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, occasionally we'll go up there just for a day.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I always have to remind him like we're a Klaus household

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: because people are always like, are you team Damon or team Stefan?

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no, no, we're we're with the Klaus.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't even worry about the Damon and Stefan.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would probably choose Rebecca over all of them.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_01]: She is my like, oh, I love her so much.

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I love her so much she can do no wrong.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I like Karen was saying earlier on this episode, I support women's rights

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and I support this woman's wrongs.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you do whatever she was.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_00]: She was great.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_00]: She was great.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I got to watch the whole thing.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I was irritated at some of the back and forth with the relationships,

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: but I think they were supposed to irritate me.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_00]: It was amazing.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually by the time by the time the the series was done,

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I was a huge fan, so I got a couple of cameos from her.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what cameo is?

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where you.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So I got a couple of cameos from her.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I mentioned that I was working on this book and she

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_00]: she came back with like the sweetest, most detailed, like

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_00]: like seven minute video, like answering my questions

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and encouraging me with the book and all this stuff.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So now Kat Graham is like one of my favorite people in the world.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And so build to my indignation over Bonnie.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, how dare you?

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. How could you do this?

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So I get the most upset about when it comes to the Empire Diaries.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_00]: There was literally I mean, forget about the fact that she goes

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_00]: through so much crap in what eight seasons.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. But they literally give her the love of her life or whatever.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Kill him like 10 minutes later.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's a witch.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like an all powerful witch.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And somehow she can't fix this.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_00]: She literally can bring Elena back, but she can't like

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_00]: he's doomed to just sort of be there as I'm getting all worked up now.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Boy,

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I know.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of recently.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's been maybe a couple of months ago.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I posted like I kind of want to read.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We're binge the vampire diaries, but then I kind of want to skip to like

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_01]: he was your first love.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I intend to be your last.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. I don't want to go through all the pain.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I get it.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to do all the pain.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And the books are the same but different.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_00]: OK, I haven't read the books at all.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Not the same story at all, but like the same same tone or up and down,

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_00]: down, back and forth.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird, weird choices that don't make any sense.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. I mean, but back to back to, I guess, three or four points ago.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The it is rewarding after you've gone through all that pain to sort of if

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_00]: they get their triumph or they get they happily ever after were with such

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_00]: high stakes, they fight through something.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that. Like, I'm willing to go on that ride.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like there has to be, you know, unless you're watching Breaking Bad,

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_00]: it shouldn't the end of it should be like they went through all this and now

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_00]: they're dead. And thanks for joining us for like eight years.

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, no, no, no.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I invested so much time in you.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Why would you do this to me?

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Be careful with that show.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I would sooner get into vampire diaries again than Breaking Bad.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That at least it's at least vampire diaries has moments of joy.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Breaking Bad is just like nothing good will ever happen ever again.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's sad and then it's bad.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a it's a very specific.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it started with The Sopranos

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and then went on with Mad Men and Breaking Bad and all these different

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_00]: shows to a certain extent.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly the kind of show I don't

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_00]: like specifically because I need to have somebody to root for and I need to have

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_00]: good things happen to them.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that I was into Breaking Bad was kind of an anomaly, but I never

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I never made it past the pilot of Mad Men for that reason.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I'm not really into a character study of people doing bad things.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I need there's a very there is a very

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_00]: homework part of me which explains the book the book I wrote.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I need I I watch media and experience media to feel better.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_00]: If I feel pain along the way, that's OK.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_00]: If it's a journey like I have to watch Infinity War to get to end game.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So great it is.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly that's exactly why.

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So great because, you know, at the end of the day, when you read a romance book,

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: you get to the end and it's a happy ending.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's happy.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's happy.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's great.

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You go through all the emotions.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's pain.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's it's heartbreak.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all of that.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the book, you can breathe a sigh of relief and be like,

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, I feel better.

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I have had I have had enough emotions and now I get to be happy.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I could not agree more.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually wrote to Lauren Cungesson about Red String Theory.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said one of the things I loved so much about that book was she created

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_00]: an actual conflict that was rooted in what was going on with the characters.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't know how she was going to get him out of it,

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_00]: but I knew that she would.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that is my favorite part of a romance plot is like,

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_00]: here's an actual problem.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just right.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't want to I'm not going to denigrate any specific sort of romance.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But when I get the opposite of that is like a problem that could be solved

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_00]: with like a 10 second conversation that they really could have had.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that kind of thing.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: That one of that one of my favorites is how to end a love story.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's Yulin Kuang.

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_03]: It's her debut.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And the premise is she is like an she was an author.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. And she wrote these books.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's being adapted to the screen and she ends up going and working

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_03]: in the writers room, but the one of the writers in the room is the guy who was

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_03]: driving the car when her sister ran into the street on.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, her sister used his car to commit suicide.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And so the romance is between these two.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And you think the whole time like how the hell like I hate you forever.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: If you are, if it's not even your fault,

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you were driving and you take my sister from me, that's it.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can empathize, but I can't spend the around trying to be like how

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: because how are they going to do this?

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, at the end, they're going to get together.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to have a happy ending.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But how do you get there?

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And that was so good about it because you're like stressing out the whole time.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, because you're like, how do you come back from that?

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though, again, it wasn't his fault.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a teenager driving home.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he stepped out in front of his car at night.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm reading that now. That's that's amazing.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's my beautiful. It's incredible.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's incredible. That's awesome.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite kind of story. Yeah.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the epitome of like stress and emotion and a roller coaster and trying

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: to figure out like how are they going to get to the end of this?

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's so satisfying when they do.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you're like, this is why romance is so amazing.

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't agree more.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the stress and the stress and the emotion and the conflict are all you're

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_00]: sort of investing if you know that it's going to work out eventually.

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the back to Marvel when I saw Infinity War.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know that anybody hasn't already seen Infinity War and Endgame,

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_00]: but you get to the end of Infinity War.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I wasn't mad because of what?

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was a little mad because of what happened,

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but I was more mad that I'd have to wait a year.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But I never doubted for a second that eventually they'd fix this.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And that's the kind of journey I like going on,

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_00]: where it's like, give me a real problem with real stakes and get me deep into it

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and then get me back out, which is a difficult thing to do as a writer.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: But as a reader, it's incredibly rewarding when you know that,

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_00]: like, I'm in good hands.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Emily Henry did that to me with Book Lovers was another one with,

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_00]: like, I don't know how they're going to fix this, but I'm along for the ride.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so all sorts of stuff. Trust Emily Henry.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. She I don't know if you guys know of her.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's certain a couple of she's just kind of popular now.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, she she knows what she's doing.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. She's just pretty cool.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I keep reading articles.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like every single one has a film adaptation.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Every single one now has a movie in development.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I was surprised.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: We love Abby Jimenez to take the same trajectory as Emily Henry has

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: because I think her writing is so phenomenal.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And she touches on so many things.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like it's not just the silly little rom-com,

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_03]: which I'm not saying bad things.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I love rom, silly little rom-coms.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they're the best.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But like it goes so much deeper.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just like, I want to see this on the screen.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: We need more mental health representation in visual media.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Abby Jimenez books will could be that.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And I want it to be. Romance is hope.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's there's it's at times there's so many unrealistic situations.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the day, you're like, it gives you hope that even

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_03]: though it's an unrealistic situation, something could happen like that for you.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I love romance.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I love romance so much.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I'm not biased or anything as a writer, but, you know,

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I love romance so much.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_03]: OK, it has been over an hour.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_04]: When did that happen?

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_03]: We should let you go and we'll finish our other stuff.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. Well, I'm always happy to talk to you guys.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: This has been a huge pleasure.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully you can make something serviceable out of this.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: If you think this is the last time I've got bad news.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. Are you kidding me?

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I would hang out with you guys.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even kidding.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I would hang out with you guys every week.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is this is great.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been looking forward to that.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I've literally been looking forward to this.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll let you know when I mean, you know, I don't know when the next book

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_00]: deal is coming down the pike, but hopefully sooner rather than later.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully I'll get to come back on here and promote another book at some

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: point. You will. Yeah, I will.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We're ready for it.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome. And I'm ready to read yours.

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's great. I'm willing to hurt.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how excited I am.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I know those deaths are coming.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Nandis will hurt mine.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Mine. Mine will be fine.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Mine will just be tension.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm good.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll survive. It'll be OK.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It'll be fine.

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll let you go because quite some time.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But we'll talk to you.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful. OK, I'll talk to you soon.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_00]: You guys have a great night.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. You too.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. I love Jason so much.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_01]: So much.

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: My face hurts.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God. OK, I think it's time for an announcement.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We got a double hitter next week.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We do. It's going to be very exciting.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And the beginning of this episode, when I'm trying to talk about things

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: that I've read that I don't remember very well, is going to make a lot more

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_03]: sense right now

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: because next week, friends, we will have Ava Reed, author of Lady Macbeth

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_03]: here to talk about Lady Macbeth.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I am so freaking excited.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I did not think that we would get Ava Reed and we did.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And we did. Here we are.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So cool.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And we will also have Kelly Vincent, who is the author.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I was looking for my ugliest.

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Who is the author of The Art of Being Ugly series, Book One, Being Ugly,

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: which I was talking about, Book Two is Uglier and Book Three,

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: which we will be talking about, is Ugliest.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so excited.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be so much fun to talk about them.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody get excited because it's going to be so, so, so fun.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's all our announcements.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. Now let's do a spiel.

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