He’s Terrible, I Love Him

[00:00:00] Oh my goodness. We have something super fun for y'all today. A brand new to us author,

[00:00:29] not new to the scene. She's a USA Today bestselling author. So I guess we'll just get right into it.

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[00:00:50] bestselling author, K.A. Lindy, author of The Wren and the Holly Library. Welcome to the podcast.

[00:00:57] Among other things. Welcome to the podcast. Hi, so glad to be here. So happy to have you.

[00:01:09] So the first thing we usually ask is if our authors can kind of give us a quick elevator

[00:01:14] pitch of the book just in case somebody has been living under the rock and has not heard of it.

[00:01:18] Sure. The Wren and the Holly Library is a heist novel set in a monster's New York City between two

[00:01:28] characters who have a forced proximity, enemies to lovers sort of romance where they are trying to

[00:01:35] steal a magical artifact. So Karen is further into the book than me and she frantically

[00:01:43] texted me last night about how she's like it gives perfect Beauty and the Beast but with a

[00:01:47] heist vibes. So I want to know how you got into my brain to know like what the perfect story

[00:01:54] for me would be because that's everything I could ever want. Well, spoiler alert,

[00:02:00] it's what I would want. I really want heists and I want Beauty and the Beast and I want them

[00:02:07] to have to live together and they have to work together and there's like chases and romance and

[00:02:14] off obviously like an amazing library. Yeah, I love it. So can you tell us a little I saw it in

[00:02:21] the authors note but can you tell us a little more about your trip to Ireland where this story

[00:02:24] was kind of born? Yeah, so actually I had originally so just to back it up a little bit

[00:02:29] I'd originally written a trilogy of vampires called Blood Type and in the third book Graves

[00:02:34] actually shows up as a character and so like very minor like one chapter and it's only an audio

[00:02:40] right now because we're in the works of getting it back out but it was very very short but he

[00:02:46] was so explosive in my mind that I was like there must be a story for him and then I put

[00:02:51] him on the back burner because I was like I don't have time for this right now as you can

[00:02:54] tell I've written 50 books so there's all things happening in my brain and then I went

[00:03:00] to Ireland with my mom I had a signing in Paris and I brought my mom with me and it was the most

[00:03:05] amazing trip like she had had a oh god what are they called born exchange student when she was

[00:03:10] 17 and she hadn't seen her in 40 years and we met her there. Oh my gosh! It was the first time

[00:03:18] they had seen each other and they like cried the whole and we like hung out and she um had

[00:03:24] been working for the EU it was amazing it was like the most amazing trip and we went over to

[00:03:29] Dublin um because my mom is Irish and all of her family is Irish and so we were like we're gonna go

[00:03:35] and like investigate this and so we did all these tours and we were in Christchurch Cathedral

[00:03:42] in Dublin and because I'd been so excited we actually got to go up into the bell tower

[00:03:46] and everything post-COVID you don't get to do I went back and they didn't let us and I was

[00:03:50] like glad I made it beforehand. They told us a story we were in there and you go see all

[00:03:56] the artifacts and stuff and Lawrence O'Toole's he had a heart and it was in this like metal

[00:04:02] chamber and it was like supposed to be his heart inside of it and they told this story about how

[00:04:07] it had been stolen from the church for for like a year and no one had any idea there was no

[00:04:13] video of it there was nothing it was just one day gone and then like a year later it was

[00:04:19] like deposited on their lawn like someone brought it back. What did you do with that

[00:04:22] heart in here? I know and it's still there and I just was like oh my god this is the heroin

[00:04:30] this is the heroin she's the one who stole it and like no one knows and it just like hit me

[00:04:36] and I was literally on my phone because I didn't bring a notebook or anything I didn't think

[00:04:40] about research or like that kind of research. My mom was like do you need help and I was

[00:04:45] like frantically typing everything and then like we just walked around all of Dublin and I got

[00:04:51] these vibes and so I was like I really want to incorporate what I felt was sort of like my

[00:04:56] heritage that I was learning about and all of the mythology that I was learning about

[00:05:01] and then put it into this other sort of fantasy world that's set in New York.

[00:05:06] Oh my god how fun. I would love to do a trip like that with my mom.

[00:05:11] Yeah it was amazing it was really amazing we had the best time. Sounds like it. I'm curious

[00:05:18] what it's like so it's set in New York but not quite as we know it. Was it challenging to kind

[00:05:26] of because it's a real place even though it's set in a fantasy world was it challenging to

[00:05:31] write that setting and how much research did you have to do of New York itself?

[00:05:37] So I felt very comfortable writing New York. I've actually been writing New York City

[00:05:41] since my first book and it was funny because my very first book is like half of it set in

[00:05:45] New York and half of it set in Atlanta but I had never been to New York when I wrote it and all of

[00:05:51] these New Yorkers emailed me to ask me if I was a local and I was like no I've never been.

[00:05:56] That's the best compliment. So much on TV. Yeah true. Like all of the Marvel movies,

[00:06:02] it's gossip girl you've read about it you've watched it and so I feel like sort of like

[00:06:06] a lot of New York feels like our just our culture you know just like who we are as

[00:06:11] in America because we watch so much of it on TV but then for this book and I'd also written a

[00:06:16] whole series a whole like adult gossip girl type series set in New York so I had done

[00:06:21] a ton of research for that. So I'd been to New York a bunch so when I sat down and wrote

[00:06:25] this one I like literally came home and then like six months later like wrote the whole

[00:06:30] thing in like a fugue like 90,000 words in one month and I was like wow. Of course it is

[00:06:36] like 130,000 words now and it it has been edited many times over four years

[00:06:42] so I wrote the whole thing and then like set it aside because Romanticie wasn't really like

[00:06:48] what it is right now so it's kind of like not the wrong time wrong place and then I

[00:06:54] went to New York and I me and my husband stayed for a week and we literally just

[00:06:58] walked and took the subway to every single place that was in the book already

[00:07:03] and then I came home and I spent a whole week just tearing the whole thing apart

[00:07:08] and making it feel like I had just been there. So if it feels really like New York

[00:07:13] and like you're walking around the city it's because I came home and then I redid the

[00:07:17] whole thing and then it was literally like two months later after that that I ended up selling

[00:07:21] it to Red Tower. That's amazing. That is so cool. I was gonna say I feel like Atlanta

[00:07:27] would be more challenging to write as a Georgian than New York because like

[00:07:32] Atlantans would call you out and be like we don't like everybody says ATL. No one in Georgia

[00:07:37] says that and I've like ranted to Karen before like that's not nobody says that like we

[00:07:42] abbreviate in a text but nobody's like I'm going to ATL this week. I mean if it's ATL

[00:07:46] it's ATL y'all A town down. Yeah. I'm from Atlanta so yeah I went to UGA so I'm actually

[00:07:54] going there next weekend. Oh I'm in Macon so I'm not too far from there. One of my best friends

[00:07:59] grew up in Macon. I used to be from Henry County so I'm from Stockbridge. Okay yeah very nice see

[00:08:06] normally I'm talking to west coasters with Karen and all of our authors are in LA so I'm like

[00:08:12] I'm just in Georgia so it's nice to have somebody who knows about where I am. I have a book

[00:08:18] called Hold The Forevers that is set between Atlanta and Athens and it's a love triangle

[00:08:23] between two guys and one is from Savannah and one is a football player at UGA and they end up

[00:08:28] working at the Falcons together. Oh man you would feel the Atlanta vibes in that one. It's on the

[00:08:34] TBR it's on the TBR now for sure. Yes that is Hold The Forevers. I love it Hold The Forevers.

[00:08:42] All right so what was it like I know that you have a lot of contemporary and then you

[00:08:46] have a lot of fantasy. What's it like going back and forth between the genres? Do you have

[00:08:50] one where you're like I like this more or is it just kind of I enjoy both and I have to change

[00:08:57] my process from one to the other? Like what's it like to shift? I mostly read fantasy. I don't

[00:09:02] actually read a ton of contemporary but I love writing it. It's really it's really really fun

[00:09:08] and dynamic. You have to find ways to make it feel I mean for me I try to find ways in

[00:09:15] my contemporary to make it feel also like fantasy. Like there's always some sort of element

[00:09:18] that's not like straight contemporary in the book so there's always something that like I try to

[00:09:23] bring in like oh there's a guy and in my head I'm like oh he's the exiled prince from fantasy

[00:09:28] but it's in contemporary so it's just like he's in Canada. So there's some of that to

[00:09:35] it but I really love both. I've always said like romance is my day job because I'm always

[00:09:39] writing romance in whatever I'm doing and I like to think that when I'm writing fantasy or

[00:09:44] contemporary it's still always me and it's my same voice and my same like the same feeling

[00:09:50] you're gonna get in a contemporary novel. You're gonna get that from me the same like angst and I

[00:09:54] love villains and I want there to be high conflict and tension and you know sex lots of

[00:10:02] Speaking of which, listen I was reading I was like halfway through the book and I was like

[00:10:10] dying. I'm texting Nanny, I'm like the slow burn is killing me and then I message you I'm like

[00:10:16] please tell me they bang in this book because I cannot handle it. I cannot handle a whole book

[00:10:23] of slow burn without them banging. I just did that. I was like girl I'm not gonna do you like that.

[00:10:29] That hurts. Like I know it's gonna pay off. She was dying and I'm like I live for slow burn.

[00:10:35] They look like they're awesome. She loves a slow burn and I'm out here like I need them to bang

[00:10:41] like in the first few chapters like what is happening? I get it most of my contemporary

[00:10:46] are not slow burn at all no slow burn for my fantasy series it's because I usually have them

[00:10:53] as series and I actually have two other like fantasy series but they're five book series so

[00:10:56] they're even slower than this one but then you know once they're going they're going man.

[00:11:02] Yeah so do you have to do you have to plot out with fantasy or are you like a panther

[00:11:08] through and through for everything or what's that like? So for my first 20 books I didn't plot

[00:11:13] anything. I just sat down and I wrote the books and they were done and that was great but I

[00:11:19] wrote a lot slower and so I wanted to figure out like craft wise how to like tighten my

[00:11:26] plots and tighten my prose and also to be able to do that I sort of needed a more direct

[00:11:32] roadmap but I actually call I call myself a plancer because I plot the book and I have like

[00:11:40] an outline and some like vibes of where I know it's going and I know the whole story

[00:11:46] and then I sit down to write it and that's where it all goes wrong.

[00:11:50] They take a mind of their own. They do they just take over and I sort of just let them

[00:11:55] direct however they're gonna do it and then I figure out how to like get back to where I

[00:11:59] was going and that seems to work best for me is like I still have very good direction and

[00:12:04] usually I know exactly what I'm writing in that couple chapters and then as it veers I redirect.

[00:12:11] So I love that because I always like to think like it's the character story you're just their

[00:12:16] vessel to tell it so it's like they tell you that I'm not gonna do that I'm going over

[00:12:21] here you're like fine I guess you are I'll figure out how to get you there

[00:12:28] I'm just the one doing the work gosh. So sorry my brain just stopped like

[00:12:38] it was there and then it was gone and now I'm broken.

[00:12:42] Oh no okay well I can ask one what can we expect from the Okanholy cycle as far as

[00:12:48] books I know you said that your other series are five and that they were a lot slower of a

[00:12:52] burn does that mean that this one's not going to be five it's do you have like a number in mind?

[00:12:57] I have sold three to Red Tower but I like to say don't hold me on it because if there's more

[00:13:03] story I'm happy to write it so yeah okay right now right now it's three you know so

[00:13:08] we'll see how it goes from there. Oh that is exciting and the other ones are the other

[00:13:14] Royal Houses my Royal Houses series is like it's slow burn in the first book and the second

[00:13:19] book and then it's not after that so like once they get together you know they're together.

[00:13:24] Yeah we're like we're together and we are at it. There's a lot of like conflict but you know

[00:13:31] there's still they're a person you know yeah makes sense so in this book there is something

[00:13:36] called the Monster Treaty and it's very like political there's a lot of like politics

[00:13:42] involved with that and this world as a whole even with monsters in it was that something

[00:13:48] that was kind of tricky to navigate like how familiar are you with politics themselves

[00:13:54] in order to write this in? Very very very easy I have a master's degree in political

[00:13:59] science my undergrad is in political science and philosophy my husband's a political science

[00:14:03] professor. Oh my gosh I love it wow. I worked on the presidential campaign in 2012

[00:14:09] in North Carolina for like eight months so politics are like super easy and actually

[00:14:14] the basis of this story is World War I and it's post-World War I the Monster Treaty is the

[00:14:20] Treaty of Versailles and you're about to go into the roaring 20s is kind of how I see it.

[00:14:25] And so Coraline Lamour is killed so like in the beginning what happens is someone is

[00:14:31] murdered Coraline Lamour is killed a vampire is killed by a werewolf and it starts triggers

[00:14:36] the whole war which is Franz Ferdinand. Franz Ferdinand is killed starts World War I yeah

[00:14:43] yeah I know and then you go into a war and there's all these obviously the war happens

[00:14:48] and then it's uh yeah it's set are basically around this is like the end of World War I

[00:14:53] and now people are starting to come back out into the city. Wow oh my god you just made

[00:15:00] it even more manly. I've got to log off and uh she's gotta go.

[00:15:05] Yeah I'm a big history buff I love I love to read historical stuff so that I can and

[00:15:10] watch historical shows and then I always try to like pull and incorporate actual history

[00:15:15] into the storylines because a lot of times when I'm reading books like I've read some books

[00:15:20] that are based on like uh The War of the Roses but it's like alternate history and the

[00:15:24] more I feel like you know about the history the more you can like see strings that are

[00:15:28] band girl about it yeah that's so crazy because as I was reading I was like this

[00:15:34] it felt familiar and I couldn't put my finger on it like I I'm not a big history buff but

[00:15:40] like obviously I know enough about history in general but like I was reading and I'm like this

[00:15:46] this feels familiar and I can't figure out why now I know. She used to like to tell me

[00:15:52] that she doesn't like historical fiction until she started reading historical fiction and historical

[00:15:57] romance especially and then she's like oh wait I really I think I am I think I am

[00:16:04] I think I'm into this yes so I know we touched on like writing about an alternate New York but

[00:16:10] what's it like writing an alternate New York with monsters in it like adding this adding

[00:16:15] monsters into this modernized world that we already kind of know except now there's

[00:16:21] I like to think about it a lot as in the same way that you would look at x-men

[00:16:26] so there are like mutants and they're fighting for their rights and they're also accidentally

[00:16:32] killing a lot of people or on purpose killing a lot of people and there's going to be factions

[00:16:36] within whatever you're doing so like all monsters aren't gonna think the same

[00:16:40] all humans aren't gonna think the same and humans and monsters can be bad I'm also a huge

[00:16:45] supernatural person don't know if you guys ever watch supernatural but one of the things

[00:16:50] so interesting is that so many times the bad guys are the humans it's the it's the humans who

[00:16:57] end up doing things in the series that are bad and the monsters are just trying to live their

[00:17:01] lives and I thought that would be such an interesting kind of dynamic to bring into

[00:17:06] a story where there are good guys and there are bad guys and whether or not they're monsters

[00:17:10] or human doesn't actually matter because either way both sides have people who want to just

[00:17:15] continue the war and hurt people so that they can have their rights yeah there's bad people

[00:17:21] just like you want to stop it so that they can go back to living their life yeah yeah it's like

[00:17:25] that coven of vampires that they go after where it's like yes they're not hurting anyone

[00:17:31] at all that like dj quals got engaged yes I see that and he's like one he's like a

[00:17:38] werewolf who's like happily married in the show yeah and you're just like I want that I

[00:17:42] want more of that monsters are just happy let them be fine yeah if they're like intentionally

[00:17:47] hurting people then yeah it needs to be addressed but if they just want to live their life

[00:17:53] yeah and I think there's one interesting part about world the end of world war one is that

[00:17:57] the treaty of Versailles actually overly punishes Germany and that's why they have

[00:18:03] people who rise up for world war two is because the Germans felt slighted by what happened

[00:18:09] and so the same thing is sort of happening in this series is that the monsters feel like they

[00:18:12] got the short end of the stick and so there's other monsters who are like yeah we deserve

[00:18:17] better than this and that causes conflict in the story oh my gosh I'm so excited

[00:18:25] oh my god I'm so ready for like the the text from Mandy when she gets to certain parts of

[00:18:32] this book like I've been messaging Kyla on Instagram I'm like listen I think I'm in love

[00:18:38] with me like he had two sentences like it was on it was like a paragraph and I'm like I think

[00:18:42] I'm in love with Nate am I in love with Nate I think I'm in love with Nate I was like everyone's

[00:18:47] in love with Nate you should be in love with me yeah I was like thank god because I love him

[00:18:52] I could not have survived this I could not have done it and this is this is completely

[00:18:57] like off track and I'm not gonna say too much about it because it's a spoiler but there

[00:19:01] was one thing that I said to you and I just got to the part where my suspicions were

[00:19:06] confirmed and I'm like validation I love when that happens because I sometimes I feel like

[00:19:15] I'm so smart when I'm reading a book and I'm like yes this is exactly what's gonna happen

[00:19:19] and then it's completely not and I'm like oh no I'm an idiot but it was it's so validating

[00:19:26] that's the mark of a good book yeah one that you like oh my gosh they're setting up the

[00:19:31] clues for this this is so good like yeah I'm picking up on these kernels of information

[00:19:38] I have I'm never so happy to be so dumb than when I'm reading a book and I get something wrong

[00:19:46] like it's so great okay so speaking of Nate we have a question that we always ask our authors

[00:19:53] this is the moment where everything you've ever consumed media-wise is just going to

[00:19:57] leave your brain but we have a segment called fictional boyfriend of the week where every

[00:20:02] episode we pick our favorite fictional character from that week we call it fictional boyfriend

[00:20:08] of the week but it doesn't have to be a boyfriend Karen's had a fictional granny

[00:20:12] we've had fictional found families fictional besties are there any characters books movie

[00:20:17] tv anything where you're like that is my like comfort character I love them everybody should know

[00:20:23] about them yes how much time do you have I have a few um the first obviously that comes to mind

[00:20:32] for me is Victor Vail from Vicious by V.E. Schwab probably my favorite book or second favorite

[00:20:39] book of all time it's sort of like a superhero if superheroes could be made by trying to commit

[00:20:47] suicide which sounds really terrible and it is it's all everyone's a villain and the two

[00:20:52] two main characters are Victor Vail and Eli Eber and they both figure out how to become

[00:20:57] superheroes and then they become each other's super enemies and it's told sort of like in

[00:21:02] comic book uh writing style so it's like fast short between the two and other plot lines come

[00:21:08] in it's terrible it's on my shelf up here I yeah I'm hoping to get to it this summer

[00:21:14] He's terrible I love him if you like villains the villain book I love a villain yes big enemies to

[00:21:22] lovers morally gray characters love them yes yeah okay well speaking of yes speaking of other

[00:21:28] books one of the other questions that we always ask is we know what I know that I'm obsessed with

[00:21:35] this book and I will be recommending it to everybody but we want to know what you're

[00:21:40] reading what are you recommending do you have like a favorite book of all time anything that's

[00:21:44] kind of stood out to you recently that you would like to recommend yeah I've read a lot

[00:21:48] of really good stuff lately I I really like Starling House by Alex Harrow I love a crow

[00:21:56] he looks like a sick crow I was sold I don't know why it was sold but I was sold it's got

[00:22:01] gothic weathering heights in Kentucky yes I was like I want it I don't know it's give me that

[00:22:08] I had to go to her book tour on that just to like tell her like this is so good incredible I love

[00:22:13] Divine Rivals by Rebecca Ross those were so good also I don't know if you guys are Taylor

[00:22:18] Swift people but her tortured poets department set on the tour has had them like sitting with

[00:22:24] typewriters across from each other and I'm just like it is just Divine Rivals oh it's Roman

[00:22:29] and Iris it's Roman and Iris oh I love that yeah yeah what else have I been reading

[00:22:36] great I've been reading a ton well I've been doing a lot of audio lately I don't know why

[00:22:40] but I really liked it I did the whole Caraval series recently and all of the Once Upon a Broken

[00:22:45] Heart ones so I obviously am a Jax person we're big shocked here yeah I like that when

[00:22:52] I finished Once Upon a Broken Heart or was it the Ballad of Never After it was the Ballad

[00:22:57] of Never After speaking of Taylor Swift I had been painting my office library thing and

[00:23:02] the book ended and I hit the floor and just laid there staring at the ceiling for like half an hour

[00:23:08] and then I had to go like drown myself in my shower and scream all too well the 10 minute Taylor

[00:23:14] because it was just like I'm so upset I don't know what else to do yeah I love the Red

[00:23:20] Rising series by Pierce Brown and the second book I haven't had a book second book hit me

[00:23:26] like that since then so like the second book in the Red Rising series is just like that I

[00:23:30] literally I was reading it at Christmas one year and I had it open and I finished and I set

[00:23:35] it down and I was just like what do I do the third book isn't out yet how do I go on

[00:23:45] thankfully when I read Once Upon a Broken Heart series the third book was out I didn't have

[00:23:50] to wait oh my god I read it as an arc yeah I had an arc of the audiobook so I read it

[00:23:57] before a lot of people and I had to wait so normally I wait for the series to be finished

[00:24:03] person I normally read as it comes out and this one I came too late I came too late I don't know

[00:24:08] I had been in a huge YA kick and then I just like I think what happened is once romantasy

[00:24:14] started coming in like much bigger I was like oh this is what I want from YA but with sex

[00:24:19] I'll read this yeah and then I sort of cycled back I like went through all of Hunger Games

[00:24:25] again I did all of Divine Rivals and then Caraval so it's been like a YA kick this year

[00:24:30] trying like getting back through all the good series I love I like it though I like to go

[00:24:34] back and forth too like you can't I get really burnt like I get really heavy with how much

[00:24:41] and how high stakes adult fantasy and romantic can be and so you need to go back to sometimes

[00:24:46] dark yeah yeah well and then why it can be lighthearted too when it's just like oh I needed

[00:24:53] that break but then also like you can also get like so so bogged down with like like even if

[00:25:01] it's YA like high fantasy there's so much world building that you're like oh I have to hold so

[00:25:06] much in my head like I recently binged all of Victoria Aviards backlist so Red Queen

[00:25:12] through Realm Breaker and I was like I just need a cartoon cover romance because that was

[00:25:17] I loved it but I need something that is palate cleansers

[00:25:21] palate cleansers I need yes yes sometimes you really do just like you get on that kick and then

[00:25:26] you hit a certain point and you're like oh no I'm done for now I'm done for now

[00:25:31] I need something cute and silly and then I want to get back into this pain

[00:25:35] I'm really really trying to force her to read Throne of Glass because she never has

[00:25:40] and oh my god I am an OG Sergei Maas person we knew have known each other since we were 16

[00:25:46] we were writing on fiction press together oh my god how fun I read like that whole

[00:25:51] series originally when it was Queen of Glass before it was ever published online and

[00:25:56] so it's so nice it's so weird it's weird to hear all these people having had read it

[00:26:00] when it was like this micro thing that I liked when I was like yeah and now it's like

[00:26:05] that is so cool that is so neat yeah how fun is that yeah Karen's read Akitar she won't do

[00:26:13] Crescent City yet oh I have to read Throne of Glass before I read Crescent City because they're

[00:26:19] supposed they're gonna be like connected right so I have to read Throne of Glass before

[00:26:24] yeah that's what that's what I was told I was told I had to read Throne of Glass before

[00:26:28] Crescent City so I'm like well I think Throne of Glass is her best series agreed that's what

[00:26:33] everybody says oh my god it's the best world building it's the best character the best main

[00:26:38] character best love interest no one can touch her I mean no one can touch her the main character

[00:26:47] yes like oh it's it's all it's just a big commitment and I just now that we're

[00:26:55] we're going to make a commitment but you'll read them all in like two weeks Karen I'm

[00:26:59] telling yes I want through them so fast it's not they're not I mean it's not like I'm

[00:27:05] feeling very like legally blonde like what like it's hard what like it's hard

[00:27:09] girl really not like because once you start any of Sarah's books it's Throne of Glass for right

[00:27:16] once you get into it you won't do anything else no like you are you are you a tandem

[00:27:21] romance reader or are you a chronological I am a Assassin's Blade either third or fourth I

[00:27:27] don't care not first and then I don't like the tandem I don't like the tandem either

[00:27:33] because I don't like the time but you know no no it's much more of a gut punch third or fourth

[00:27:42] I'm very I'm the person who has a full on spreadsheet for all the marble properties

[00:27:49] where I have to watch everything based on the release date so like if this episode of this

[00:27:56] tv series came out on this day but then this movie came out before the finale of that series

[00:28:01] I still have to watch the movie before the end like it's very very specific I'm very OCD

[00:28:06] about like release I'm glad you're not that way about doing the tandem though because I

[00:28:10] feel like it ruins like you end before Throne or before Tower of Dawn with some trauma you

[00:28:17] need to sit with I will say and the tandem rushes it I will say even though I've not

[00:28:24] read Throne of Glass I did stop somebody from doing the tandem read very recently

[00:28:30] I feel like the tandem is for a reread like if you wanted to reread yeah that would be fine but

[00:28:35] I feel like for your first time just read it in chronological that's exactly what I say about

[00:28:41] Marvel when people are like well do I watch it in like chronological order or release date

[00:28:45] order I'm like the first time you're watching it has to be release date because all of the

[00:28:52] easter egg scenes at the end match then right and it's also like if you start with

[00:28:58] you've got Captain Marvel would be like very close to the beginning and then you go any

[00:29:03] sense it doesn't and then you go through all these movies and she doesn't show up again

[00:29:06] until the very end like you're sitting there like you're like where where is she what is

[00:29:10] she doing it makes no sense so after you've done it the first time do whatever you want

[00:29:15] but the first time there's a correct order just don't do the tandem please god oh my gosh

[00:29:24] okay anyways we got way off track there but that's very off-brand for us here

[00:29:30] so tell us about what comes next after this I know obviously it's a series is there anything

[00:29:36] you can tease about book two or the rest of the series right now or are you working on

[00:29:41] anything else at the same time tell us what to expect from you the only thing I can really

[00:29:48] say about the second one is that we get to go to other places so the first book is almost

[00:29:54] except for like one section completely set in New York and the second book takes place in

[00:30:02] elsewhere as well New York and other places so you get some you get to see what the monster war

[00:30:08] did to the rest of the world as well and so it's very like insular in the first book

[00:30:12] and then it kind of like opens up in the second and otherwise I'm writing the last

[00:30:17] in my other fantasy series that's ongoing which is called the royal houses and I'm writing the

[00:30:22] fifth book which is house of embers and it's like uh enemies to lovers where a half fae

[00:30:27] has to work with this dark fae prince because he entered a dragon tournament and she has a

[00:30:32] prophecy that she has to help him win the tournament oh okay well that is actually a

[00:30:38] perfect segue to this next part where I actually have to give you some bad news

[00:30:46] now that you have been on the podcast you're actually legally obligated to come back for

[00:30:50] all future book releases it was in the fine print okay great so I'm so sorry to inform you

[00:31:00] we don't make the rules we just enforce them

[00:31:03] all right friends go pick up when this episode comes out it will be out in the world pick up

[00:31:09] a copy of the rent and the holly library by k.a lindy uh if you have if you've somehow been

[00:31:14] living under a rock and not seen it the first print run has some pretty gorgeous amazing it's

[00:31:21] so pretty I mean the cover itself is already pretty but then you get the you had me sold

[00:31:26] with the cover yeah well I didn't even need to know what it was about it was pitched to us

[00:31:31] I don't know if this was specifically to us but or just in general but it was pitched to us as a

[00:31:36] loose beauty and the beast retelling that is a spicy heist romantasy and we were just like

[00:31:43] this is hitting literally everything every every spot like if you were if you were to put

[00:31:48] something together for me and mandy this would be it like it was we were like yeah say less

[00:31:56] say less give me so if you like any of those elements uh go pick up this book it's I'm

[00:32:04] I'm I'm so close to the end and I know what I'm doing for the rest of the day so

[00:32:09] so thank you so much for hanging out with us it's been so much fun

[00:32:13] we can't wait we can't wait for so much for having me it was great yeah we'll talk to you

[00:32:20] oh my gosh I love her so fun don't listen to her about assassin's blade though

[00:32:28] don't do it listeners absolutely one of us though like oh yeah are you kidding me like

[00:32:35] literally this is the definition of write what you want to read like oh yeah this book

[00:32:41] you can listen to her about assassin's blade if you want to I will just personally judge you

[00:32:46] oh my gosh so much fun how like it was so much fun how cool was it that she like

[00:32:54] knew sarah like yeah that way back when that is so cool I did not know that that was like

[00:33:00] no that's bonkers I love that it's just more proof that the world is smaller than we think

[00:33:05] it is oh absolutely love it love it all right you want to do a small spiel a small schmiel

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